Totally Confused About " Extract " Now!

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Totally Confused About " Extract " Now!

Post by Ditch » Fri May 23, 2008 1:41 am

:? I never should've poked my nose in, up there, should I?

When I used to make my own, my local HBS prop' was decent enough to straight away tell me not to bother with the commercial kits. He advised I just buy plastic, half gallon (?) bottles of Malt Extract instead and chuck in such other ingredients as required and desired.

In effect then, I was neatly avoiding the middle man costs of putting the stuff in a tin and labelling it " Tom Youngs ".

The rest, as they say, is history ..... but after volantary de tox and absinance for eleven years, I now behave myself! :mrgreen:

Thing is though; I always considered that was " Extract Brewing " and, now I come to mention it, I don't know why I never piled straight into the Extract board and discovered what I just have: That I really don't seem to recognise the processes spoken of up there!

Alright, my own proceedures could just be lost in an alcaholic haze of distant history? But I'm pretty damn sure I just sparked up the Electrim and poured a bottle of Dark EDME into the hot water. I remember using hops too, but can't remember any grainy stuff coming into the equation.

How come no one here seems to speak of this 'middle of the first lane' stuff then? Or am I just missing something - other than twenty years of my f*cking life due to pissing them away! #-o

monk

Post by monk » Fri May 23, 2008 2:41 am

I think brewing with extract like you describe is more common in the US, perhaps. Partly, our population seems too snobbish to use a kit. And since you can make a pretty nice brew using just extract, hops and some specialty grains, a lot of folks do it that way. It's just a step in between Kits and all grain, as you mention. Many will say, with some good justification, that all grain is only a small step away from extract brewing, at least in terms of difficulty, and you should just skip extract. That's definitely an option, I think. I still do extract brews like you describe from time to time because they make for a shorter brew day. If you use quite a bit of specialty grains, like crystal and chocolate, and the like, the brew usually comes out pretty nice.

I say use whatever method you like! May the means be as pleasing to you as the ends! :lol:

Russ

Post by Russ » Fri May 23, 2008 6:00 pm

I do extract brews and have been delighted with the results 8)

I reckon a brew takes about 4 hours from starting to fill the Burco to having cleaned it all away again, this includes cooling through my counterflow chiler.

I've done recipes from Real Ales for the home brewer by Marc Ollosson which have been great (buy it it's a great book 8) ). His Styrian Stunner is just extract and Hops as is 100% Satisfaction, both have been very good. Steeping a few grains is no hardship either a la Last Chance Bitter and Broardsword from the same book, both of which I have on tap at the moment and are great!. I adjust the hop rates using DaaB's calculator to take into account the AA of the hops I'm using and have also increased hop utilisation to 25% (MO worked on 20%) and I just boil for half an hour instead of the quoted 60-90 mins in the book

I use hops and yeast from Barley Bottom and the Malt extract was from Leyland (Pains Maris Otter £50 for 25kg but you can get 15kg for less) I'm turning out a brew for around 30p a pint and it's better than any kit I ever did (and I did a few before I went extract). Only problem I see is getting the extract as I believe Paines have now gone but I think it's still availabe at the moment, buying it in bulk this way is much more cost effective than buying the individual 1.5kg tins.

I'd love to go all grain but to be honest I spend enough time on this hobby as it is and I'm very happy with the results I'm getting using this method. If I can't buy extract in the future economically I may have to go all grain but for now I'm staying with extract.

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Post by Ditch » Fri May 23, 2008 9:09 pm

:| Frankly, lads, I think I've genuinely just forgotten the use of grains. I mean, it Was twenty five years ago! Come to think of it, I don't even remember if or what 'suger' form I might, or might not, have added? I'm just able to recapture these vague, mental images. 'Flash Backs' to something honey coloured, possibly in sort of block form? ..... Nope. Thought I had the term then, but it's gone. Glucose? God alone knows.

Anyway, that was in a long past life. I'm itching to get back into the happy saddle and try out some beers which I'll better be able to appreciate for their clarity and taste.

I used to brew simply for ridiculous strength and drank it when it was still like mud :roll: We live and learn!

I'll just sample some of these modern kits for now. I can't get Fuggles Hops out of my mind though ....! We'll see :mrgreen:

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Post by Aleman » Fri May 23, 2008 10:33 pm

Ditch wrote:'Flash Backs' to something honey coloured, possibly in sort of block form?
Brewers Invert Sugar, It was sort of solid, and wrapped in wax paper., really sticky horrible stuff it was.

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