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Post by Ditch » Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:56 pm

:( Looks like I've lost the Coopers Stout. My first effort in decades. I just looked at it and it's flat as a pan cake, in the fermentation bucket.

I cracked the tap to get a taste? Absolutely f*cking vile!!! Could this be the " TCP " taste everyone relates to? What ever it is, I can see the lot going down the sink before this night's out. Can't really imagine anything tasting like that being rendered anything I'd want in my mouth again.

So; Where am I likely to have gone so wrong, do ye think? It's got to be sanitisation or water, I suppose. I cleaned the brand new gear with soda crystal solution and then rinsed out with Sod Met.

Water was all put through a Brita filter and went in, sans Camden, over the course of some hours.

I did all that 30th July. I'll be slinging the lot out, 4th August. It's disgusting. I'm drinking Guinness now, trying to get that tang out of my mouth. It's not working! Do ye think I might die now? Have I killed myself tasting that shit? That's a b*stard, if so. Because I'm not in the least bit fazed by this glitch and am looking foreward immensley to trying with the Wherry, and then the Dockland Porter which is on it's way to me right now :wink:

Anyway; Where did it all go wrong? Likeliest answer ....?



:shock: Just swallowed! Yeppers; That after burn was Definately suggestive of TCP! Urgh!

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Post by Adam » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:43 pm

are you sure its properly dead?

My Maths is poor but its only had 5 days.

If first yeast failed repitch. Throw in some new yeast, what do you have to lose apart from the yeast.

Imagine the story/frustration in years to come if this becomes your unreproducable best pint.

I refuse to throw away drink as every sip is a lesson (and alcoholic).

Maybe your swilling wasn't encompassing enough.

From other posts you stout-ometer is finely tuned, could this just be the poorness of a 5 day fermemted stout kit.

Perservere.

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Post by Ditch » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:16 pm

Adam, that stuff out there tastes like Strychnine, mate. I've Never had a result anything like it. It's vile and, four pints of Guinness later, I'm just beginning to forget the experience of drinking a mouthful. Jesus Christ himself couldn't make that one get up and walk.

No. I reckon it's the water. I've just spent some quality time looking at various 'on tap' water filters from an Irish company. But, seeing how they hike the prices for delivery, I figure I'll just ask in the builders merchants in town. Look at what anyone else around here uses - other than bottled water.

It does occur to me that I'll only need to use the tap filter for brewing. I'm perfectly content with my Brita for cups of tea and my Dogs water (Though, god knows, They're perfectly happy with any old ditch they pass!). Maybe I could even have a session of 'drawing off' and store myself gallons upon gallons of 'clean' water for future use? Containers and space to store them aren't a problem.

I'm still a bit at sea with the choices of filters though. And I saw Daab mentioning somewhere about Silver in some of them? Some I've looked at use Silver Chloride.

I can see this whole venture turning into an uphill struggle for me. 'House to house fighting' effort. " Aleman " I'm not. And Dublin this ain't! :shock:

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Post by Aleman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:05 am

Ditch wrote:I saw Daab mentioning somewhere about Silver in some of them? Some I've looked at use Silver Chloride.

I can see this whole venture turning into an uphill struggle for me. 'House to house fighting' effort. " Aleman " I'm not. And Dublin this ain't! :shock:
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Its bad news having to ditch beer, I've just thrown away a corny of Ale, that had developed a nasty lactic infection. As its only 5 days I would give it more time . .. try a coupe of weeks . . . . then a couple more. If its still rank then ditch it.

Water filters can be a nightmare . . . try getting one for tropical/marine fish :evil: . . . . The reason some filters use silver (Not silver chloride) is that the silver prevents bacteria buildup in the body of the filter, which if you are making a kit could be important. Most filters consist of a pre filter to remove solid matter, and a carbon block, which adsorbs certain contaminants (chloramine, pesticides, some heavy metals etc), and can be had very cheaply. If all you are brewing with is tap water though, the use of a campden tablet per 10 gallons of water is simple and effective.

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Post by Ditch » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:38 am

Image Appreciate the come back and the encouragement, Aleman. But the state that one swallow left my stomach in tells me that ones sinkward bound. I've turned perfectly good malt extract and hops into something that'd probably kill a blow fly.

Hey ho. It's not the end of the world. I ballsed up. Now I'll learn from my perceived mistake and, if the Wherry turns to filth? I'll try to further grasp what's going wrong here. Then, if I lose the Porter I have on order? I'll f*cking well shoot myself! :lol: (I have high hopes for that Porter. Let's just see what I manage with the quite legendary Wherry first :wink: )

No, I'm quite satisfied that the Brita let me down there. Something around that point anyway. I've spent hours reading up on the 'TCP' aspect here tonight. Chlorine / Chloromine seems to be the bitch. " TCP " was definitely the nearest that vile taste. I've honestly never produced anything like that before. It was Vile!

The simple, visual, quality of the water we feed ourselves out here scares the hell out of me. Treasurer of our local water supply outfit is a neighbour of mine. I'd like to drop by and see if he has a filter of any sort!

Actually, I'm strongly tempted to just use my tap water - straight, but remembering the camden - for this Wherry. Shit or bust. If the next lot goes down the sink? Time to think again. Only any In Line form of filtration I might buy will be out of a future budget. Right now I need something to look forward to, to help the next budget along. Beer Kits and equipment may not grow on trees. Cans of Guinness most certainly don't! :shock:

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Post by maxashton » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:52 am

If it's the soapy / TCP taste then chances are you had some bleach residue on your fermenting vessel.

I presume you used VWP to sanitize? Why not nip down to your local Boots or other chemist and get some Aqueous Videne, or order some Brupaks Iodophor from your homebrew supplier of choice. Either are effective no-rinse sanitizers that really take the pain out.

Failling that, you can use a final rinse of 1 pt warm water and 1tsp sodium metabisulphate. The sodium metabisulphate will neutralise the chlorine, which produces off flavours.

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Post by Aleman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:02 am

Of course as Graham has reminded us the TCP flavour can also come from infection . . . within 5 days though :?. I think Max may be onto something in that poorly rinsed Chlorinated sanitiser could be the source . . . . I tend to use mine to clean the vessel after use, and then rinse well and, put it away clean and dry . . . come brew day I sanitise with either peracetic or an iodophor using a hand sprayer.

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Post by maxashton » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:36 am

Wish peracetic was safer in concentrate so more homebrewers could buy it. It's truly fantastic stuff.

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Post by Aleman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:43 pm

maxashton wrote:Wish peracetic was safer in concentrate so more homebrewers could buy it. It's truly fantastic stuff.
Yeah, I'm just about to take delivery of some Peracid its 15% as opposed to the more usual 5% . . . Note to self . . . get a Hazmat suit :shock:

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Post by Ditch » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:42 pm

:? This is getting weird, guys. See; I never Used bleach. I had none in the place that night. So I'd washed the brand new gear in Soda Crystal solution and then rinsed with Sod Met.

Obviously, I'm going through agonies here, because I want to get the next brew in but I'm worried about simply repeating the same problem. Cost aside, that would be damn disheartening and an embarrassment as my mates cheerfully ask me how it's all going :(

Having studied Filters till my eyes bled, I'm now considering just using the ditch water that comes out of my tap and hitting it with camden. The one thing I never did was put camden in that water. So I've really come full circle to suspecting it's simply that the Brita let me down on the chlorine issue. Odd because I changed over to a brand new insert halfway through. That, of course, really just serves to complicate issues.

Thing is, if I screw another brew; Where the hell do I go from there? Off licence?!

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Post by maxashton » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:00 pm

Don't let it get hot, either.

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Post by umpa » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:08 pm

one of my brews has just developed a what I call a cough candy twist taste. Mine to was the result of either an infected batch or sanitized residue.

Man it sucks .....

Been told they rarely mature out. I'm going to leave it till I need the bottles untill I tip it.

Going to see if I can aquire a taste for it first though.

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Post by Andy » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:18 pm

If they taste that bad then game over! No amount of maturation will recover it.
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