Malt Extract Adding Temprature?

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Malt Extract Adding Temprature?

Post by Ditch » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:24 pm

Maybe I'm just a complete and hopeless doughnut? Only I think I might have just twigged what has seemingly great potential for ruining my second attempt at this craic in my present life.

Anyway, cutting to the chase: What is the optimum 'temperature' for the water before ye sling the 'kit' in the bucket, please? Stone cold or steaming? Please feel free to disregard anything below. I need to get this off my chest!

Put simply; I'm trying to do now what I did in a past life. I.e. Brew beer, obviously. Only my memories of decades ago are about as clear as what I drank back then. All I do know is that I never wrecked a brew then and I never had panic attacks as I attempted one.

I've just pitched my (activated) Safale yeast into the wort as the latter stood at 34. My nerve broke. If I'd left the wort sitting there much longer, I'd lose it to infection. So it was shit or bust.

Wort was so bloody hot because automatically cover the element of the Electrim with water and turn it on. I then add the malt to steaming hot water and start topping up with cold once I've stirred and melted the malt.

But I've just realised this will Always lead me to creating five gallons of wort which is well above optimum temp of 20 and me losing my mind with anguish as the yeast foams in its mug and the germs - I imagine - gleefully say, " Here we go again! " and destroy my hopes, long before my Germ Fest of warm wort cools to required.

Only, I filled the used, malty tins with cold water and left them in the sink. Couple of hours later, I've emptied them and they came out clean as whistles. That's when the penny dropped; The damn stuff seems to melt perfectly well in cold water!

If ye still reading then, I can really only repeat my initial question; Could I just pour the malt into 20c water, stir it in and add yeast?

What's the bets this has already cost me my Wherry? I'll get a kit Working, one of these days! ](*,)

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Post by Aleman » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:29 pm

:lol:

There is no optimum, Liquid malt extract will dissolve in cold water, it just takes longer . . . In fact Daab has suggested that when using LME you can make it up with cold water and this avoids the balling effect with hot water.

Personally I don't have a problem with putting a gallon of hot water in a FV, adding the liquid extract and stirring until its dissolved, then pouring that into my sanitised FV (Yes the second one) with Just under 4 gallons of cold water in it)

Russ

Post by Russ » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:33 pm

Hi Ditch

:shock: you sound stressed- it's suposed to be fun this! :lol:

When I've made kits I just chuck in the tin(s) of extract, rinse out the cans with boiling water once (Pick them up with oven gloves when full of boiling water!) then top up with cold water (treated with half a campden tablet per 5 gallons). Thrash the lot with a plaster/paint stirer in a cordless drill for 5 mins :twisted:, check the temp (should be below 30oC) and pitch the rehydrated yeast.

retire to a safe distance and let fermentation commence.

Not sure why your using a boiler for a kit :? you don't need to, just chuck it all in the FV. The Electrtrim will be useful when you move over to extract (where I am now) or if you move to AG (where I'm going in a month or two) :roll:

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Post by Ditch » Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:24 am

:) Hyah, Russ. Yeppers. I was stressed out, mate! Hell, was I. Figured I'd probably just cost myself my second good brew in a row.

No worries. I actually stepped into the kitchen - for a can - as this opened. While there I was astonished to see that air lock simply pissing out gas! My Wherry's been fermenting like a train for twenty four hours now. I'm starting to really appreciate the simplicity of a ten bob air lock. That at the top. Tap at the bottom. Why lift that lid?! :D

Why the Electrim? Simple, really. I did all this 25+ years ago. In fact I got lucky then. I walked into my LHBS and asked about Kits and the guy just started chatting to me and Bang! I started straight off on Extracts. That's why I bought a BruHeat Boiler back then. Never opened a tin in my life till now. I simply can't remember what I used to do back then. That's why I'm starting with Kits now. Nearest LHBS is 200 miles away! :shock: Thank god for Jim's!

Anyway, ye have to realise I live in a traditional, stone built Irish farm cottage. My only heating is an open fire place and a clapped out Range. Comes the winter, I'll struggle to keep this tiny living (and sleeping) room warm enough for human comfort. That only while I'm out of the pit. Imagine trying to regulate a FV temperature .....

That's why the Electrim. Come winter, I'll switch that on and ferment at a rock steady 20c. Then I'll Keg and sling the Keg in an unused room. It'll chill like hell in there and I'll soon be fetching pints of gloriously clear, deliciously cooler beer back in here ... and enjoying! :lol:

Getting it weighed off again now. Fast. In fact, quite frankly, I'd stop sodding about with kits and just buy a gallon or so of Edme; Only, over here, it's really a case of grabbing what ye can, while the garden shed sized dealership I use has one or two in stock. So I grab what Kits I fancy. It's simpler. Wish to god he'd get some more Chocolate Stout though! I'm gagging to try that!

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Post by Ditch » Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:39 am

:oops: Whoops! Aleman; My apologies. The Wherry went off so strongly, last night, that I got carried away and flaked out. Back tonight and never even realised I hadn't thanked ye for ye input there.

As said, above, all seems to be going better this time. I spoke to my mate today too. His Dad did a few brews and they live just five miles away. Dad used just the local tap water, hit with half a camden. Made some good shit, apparently. That's what I'm trying this time; Trust the water but 'ware the chlorine.

I tasted a half inch of my Wherry - from the bottom tap - this morning. It didn't taste as nice as before I added the yeast (Late!). But I now accept I'm paranoid. I'm so keyed up to taste " TCP ", " Cider " or " Medicine ", I could probably discern " Seagull Shit ", if I'd read a warning of that too! :lol:

No. I'll see this one through and barrel it. Once it's conditioned, I'll give my mate a pint and we can sit here and - several later - decide then on how it's turned out.

Oh and; My mates Dad just used to sling a bit of water on the range and " heat " it, before stirring the Kit / Malt into it. He never had it bubbling, as I've been doing ](*,)

I'm remembering bits and ~ Thanks to this place ~ learning Loads! :wink:

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Post by Russ » Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:45 am

Hi Ditch

Sounds like all it starting to go the way it should 8) .

I brew in my garage and use a fish 50w fish tank heater to keep the FV at temp. Thought it might be worth mentioning if you ever feel the need to be fermenting more than one brew at once.

The half a campden tablet trick picked up on here is IMHO the single most effective thing I can think of that I do that has transformed my brewing (there have been lots of others but that made the biggest diffrence).

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