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Lager kits

Post by sparky Paul » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:06 am

In order to smooth the passage for my return to brewing, I had to make some attempt to produce a drinkable lager for the OH. The bitters and dark beers are turning out very nice indeed - but after a failed lager attempt, I need some help... :(

Given that the OH prefers Fosters type lagers rather than pilsners, I decided to try a Cooper's Heritage lager kit, made up with a 1.6kg can of pale LME.

To be honest, the results are very disappointing. The colour is good, but it tastes rather insipid and wishy-washy, there's no head whatsoever and carbonation is poor despite bottling with 2tsp/litre of brewing sugar.

When the kit was made up, the smell was very promising - a very potent hoppy smell. However, as the fermentation went on, the strong hoppy smell diminished until it disappeared altogether and the resulting brew has absolutely no bite to it at all. It tasted like this immediately after bottling, and there seems to have been no improvement after a few weeks in the bottle.

It was fermented around the recommended 20 degrees with the supplied yeast (which I assume is an ale type). Would a lager yeast and a lower temperature really make all the difference?

I can't remember having much success with lagers previously, but there wasn't the choice available that there is now. Can anyone recommend a lager kit and brewing method that produces a good lager?

...or is the only answer to go for an AG or extract brew with fresh hops? :?

discodave

Post by discodave » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:51 am

I've spent years searching for my holy grail, that is, a decent lager.

I found Telfords Euro Pils kit (cheap) with 1kg extra light or light sraymalt to be the best, but use SAFLAGER yeast at about 14 degrees and not the suplied ale yeast.

The yeast gives a definite lager bite, but I also dry hop to the keg. I used a pinch of a powder from an old Caxton kit, but I'm sure the fresh hops are much better nowadays. Speak to the forum for advice here.

The sneaky aroma of a nice pint of lager was there, along with a clean taste from the hops. Don't go mad though, be careful as you can easily over-hop when dry hopping.

Coopers Lager (The standard one) is very similar. I've tried Muntons Connoiseur which was good, using spraymalt with each but SAFLAGER yeast, which I highly recommend.

With the weather as it is now, it is a great time to be brewing lagers. My garage has the boiler in it, and hovers around 14 degrees,whilst outside over the last 24hrs it has been 4-8 degrees.

Hope this helps,

Dave.

sparky Paul

Post by sparky Paul » Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:38 pm

It certainly does Dave, thanks.

That's just what I'm looking for - recommendations for a kit and a method which actually produces a beer which tastes something like a lager.

I also forgot to say that the Cooper's with the LME has made a beer with a heavy feel to it, I reckon that DME might be better.

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Post by StrangeBrew » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:07 pm

The only lager kit I've tried was a Brewmart Mexican style lager, that was probably over 10 years ago now but it turned out very well. Brewed using the yeast supplied with white granulated sugar and bottled, the end result was very satisfying indeed with a clean crisp taste and never ending bubbles rising in the glass. I know everyone recommends adding malt extract to replace the sugar but back then I didn't know this and it turned out very well anyway!

I think I'll have another go at this one at some point!

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Post by StrangeBrew » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:09 pm

Daabs, have you tried Brupaks Special lager? Worth a try?

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Post by Horden Hillbilly » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:21 pm

have you tried Brupaks Special lager?
It is one of Mrs H's favourites, as Daab points out it comes with Saflager yeast & the best results will be achieved fermenting at lower temps which should be easier this time of year.
Here is a info link for saflager. http://www.fermentis.com/FO/EN/pdf/SaflagerS-23.pdf

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Post by sparky Paul » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:08 pm

Thanks DaaB, I'll look at the teabags - and the Brupaks kit too, a bit pricy though. I think the addition of the hops and using Saflager could well be the answer.

The Cooper's Heritage lager I made is very bland tasting, perhaps the standard Cooper's kits are different. It wouldn't even pass as a drinkable 'golden ale'.

When I made the kit up, the hop smell was overpowering - the strongest hop smell I've ever experienced from a kit. I just can't understand where all the taste went... :?

Thanks everyone for the great suggestions. :wink:

Bowser

Post by Bowser » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:35 pm

You say the beer is 'insipid'

And she likes fosters?

Sorry that was cheeky!

All the best. :D

sparky Paul

Post by sparky Paul » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:34 pm

Bowser wrote:And she likes fosters?
I can't help that! :roll:

...at least the Fosters tastes of something... :?

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:56 am

...at least the Fosters tastes of something...
since when :D

sparky Paul

Post by sparky Paul » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:55 am

Vossy1 wrote:
...at least the Fosters tastes of something...
since when :D
I didn't say it was something nice... :wink:

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:30 am

I didn't say it was something nice...
:D :D

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