Barm - thanks, i think ill go with the edme, its only a tenna in wilkos, so i rekon its worth a pop. any recommendations on what to add/what fermentables to use?
Ditch - ive heard your the king of coopers stout!

....the cans are only about 13 quid but the postage kills me! plus either msm or BKE on top(5-10?)!

!!
im sure i will eventually succomb to the charges of the legendary coopers, but as im a student, its not likely to happen for a few years!unless i find a can somewhere on the off chance! if you could u'll have to point me in the right direction as regards to what i can add to an edme kit?! im in newport, south wales, and there is a hbs not far from me but ive never seen it open, but i guess it must open?! but ive been up there 4-5 times in the past 2 months and always shuttered up

they must do most of their business through ordering?! i guess there would be a shop in cardiff but i have no idea where and its a nightmare to park in town!

!
Eoin - sounds like it could have some potential then. i think i may try it at a later date, i like to have variety in what i drink, even if it is the same type(stout). if you could keep me posted as to how it turns out that would be great.
thanks all for your help
Joe