substituting of sugars for hops

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darran

substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:18 am

in the initial fermentation process can i substitute some of the 1 kg of brewing sugars for 500 g of crushed Malt ie use 500g sugar and 500g crushed lager malt

im new at this game i have one brewing a european coopers lager( very little foaming and scum ring is this normall), but was wondering if as said can substitues be used instead of the 1 kg or sugar


ta guys darran

if any one has tips on lager making and recipies etc or just guidence i would be most appreiciated for all help
Last edited by darran on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.

sib67

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by sib67 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:26 pm

darran wrote:in the initial fermentation process can i substitute some of the 1 kg of brewing sugars for 500 g of crushed hops 500g sugar and 500g hops

im new at this game i have one brewing a european coopers lager( very little foaming an scum ring is this normall), but was wondering if as said can substitues be used instead of the 1 kg or sugar


ta guys darran

if any one has tips on lager making and recipies etc or just guidence i would be most appreiciated for all help
No - hops provide bittering, flavour and aroma to the beer, but provide no fermentable sugars.

darran

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:31 pm

ta mate as im a ver new brewer i mixed up a little i was meaning can i use crushed lager malt 500g instead of the full 1kg of sugar can i half and half

sib67

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by sib67 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:40 pm

darran wrote:ta mate as im a ver new brewer i mixed up a little i was meaning can i use crushed lager malt 500g instead of the full 1kg of sugar can i half and half
Not easily - it would need mashing. I would get a few kits under your belt 1st before looking at extract or all grain brewing.

If you want to easily improve the quality of a 1 can kit, try substituting all or part of your sugar with dried spraymalt.

darran

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:51 pm

ahhh spray malt iv came across that when having a peep is it straight forward

ps after or when 2nd fermentation in the keg is under way do i keep the cap on all the time do i release some pressure ect i have to appologise as i hav not got a scoobie what im doing

iv just puroed out a wee bit of the lager thaats been keged for about 3 days now looks very pale and clear smell nice tastes not to sweet dont know if its hoppy or malty taste iv not developed that old nose yet but it looks ok just wondering if itll turn out nice

ps ta for the reply

darran

scottmoss

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by scottmoss » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:00 pm

darran wrote:ahhh spray malt iv came across that when having a peep is it straight forward

ps after or when 2nd fermentation in the keg is under way do i keep the cap on all the time do i release some pressure ect i have to appologise as i hav not got a scoobie what im doing

iv just puroed out a wee bit of the lager thaats been keged for about 3 days now looks very pale and clear smell nice tastes not to sweet dont know if its hoppy or malty taste iv not developed that old nose yet but it looks ok just wondering if itll turn out nice

ps ta for the reply

darran
No live the lid on all the time and don't release any pressure. The point of secondary fermention is to help preserve the beer with CO2 and also it will create carbonation (make your beer fizzy)

darran

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:04 pm

there is more tension in lager beer making than a war time situation ( 5 years service) you no the poo may hit the fan and are prepared but beer making is a mystery its nerve racking

scottmoss

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by scottmoss » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:07 pm

After you have done your first kit you will know how it all works! The worst part is waiting for the beer to be ready and leaving it to age!

darran

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:16 pm

my real problem is reading the hydrometer it like physics just no and say yes where the scale ends and starts is beyond me 1.040 not a clue where that is


you have 1.000 then 4 section and it says 10 ahhh

so its 1.000
and in between are segments of 2 ie 1.012
1.014
1.016
1.018

1.01
1.02
1.03
1.04 etc etc

1.09

1.1 = mindnumingly storng beer

ok now iv sused that iv still not got a clue LOL

so when i keged my lager after 10 days and the reading was at the 45 grams per liter of sugar this is a very low % rating and thus gravity reading of 1.016 in that its nearly water so will i get lager as the end product
oh b stards

ps hydrometers should come with a squaddie or idiots guide

regards

darran

scottmoss

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by scottmoss » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:44 pm

darran wrote:my real problem is reading the hydrometer it like physics just no and say yes where the scale ends and starts is beyond me 1.040 not a clue where that is


you have 1.000 then 4 section and it says 10 ahhh
Yes so where it says 10 it will be 1010 or 1.010 so tarting you would have had 1040 and finishing you have wanted something below 1014 (1.014).

The higher the number the more sugar there still is within the solution.

darran

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:35 pm

so a reading when kegging of 1.016 isnot to bad ?? but i would want it around 1,010 for a fine lager ? should mine then be ok

darran

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:53 pm

ok now im very confused

when looking at the oldhyrdrometer at the level of1.016 the coresponding levle of % alchohol is well below 2%

do you not want the hydro around the 4 or 5 % mark on thehydro which isat the 30mark soi guess thats 1.03

boolean algebra is not this confusing
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darran

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:11 pm

SCOTTMOSSI NOTICEDD THAT YOU USE IRN BRU bottles2l howmuch sugardo you usein priming these as i live next door to the factory its a quality source of bottles

regardsdarran stillwaiting fir thisbrewtobrew hmmitsgonabealong couple of weeks :shock:

Jerry Cornelius

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by Jerry Cornelius » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:16 pm

Some hydrometers are for and wine and beer. The % mark is for wine, not beer. Just subtract your finishing reading from your starting reading, then use a calculator to get your ABV%. Download GW's Beerengine which has most of the calculators you'll need.

darran

Re: substituting of sugars for hops

Post by darran » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:33 pm

ahhh ta gerry

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