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Re: Black Sheep Best Bitter

Post by jim williams » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:24 pm

Graham wrote:
jim williams wrote:Surprised to see the bitterness coming from FWH exclusively. I didn't think that was a technique used in British brewing much. That helps alot. Thanks again.
Not sure that Black Sheep use what is euphemistically called First Wort Hopping. The bittering hops are probably added at 'copper up', that is, when the wort comes to the boil. The aroma hops are probably laid on the hop-back plates before casting out the copper onto them. Whatever they did with Riggwelter, they will do the same with the Best Bitter. You might get some clues from the Riggwelter podcast.
That makes sense. In the podcast, they mention not even adding finishing hops in the copper, but using a hopback exclusively. I forgot about that part.
Any clue on the yeast used? Of course, I wouldn't be able to replicate the squares and the rousing involved, but...

Graham

Re: Black Sheep Best Bitter

Post by Graham » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:02 am

jim williams wrote:That makes sense. In the podcast, they mention not even adding finishing hops in the copper, but using a hopback exclusively. I forgot about that part. Any clue on the yeast used? Of course, I wouldn't be able to replicate the squares and the rousing involved, but...
The hop back is their standard hop back, their hop filter in a separate vessel, not the sort of thing that some home brewers call a hop back which should properly be called a hop percolator, although it will do the same job. Adding the hops to the boiler after it is turned off will do the same thing, although I favour a five or ten minute boil because it seems more effective to me. Black Sheep only boil for an hour, which indicates to me that they have two or three pounds pressure on their copper. Interlocks probably prevent them from opening their copper hatchway at will, so they put their aroma hops in the hop back instead.

The yeast should really be a "northern" yeast; a Yorkshire yeast. Ringwood brewery in England use a Yorkshire yeast, even though they are way down south. That same yeast is used by dozens of American microbreweries. I assume that the Wyeast "Ringwood" is derived from one of those American breweries, even though it does not seem to have the vigour of the real stuff from the brewery. That would be a good choice in the absence of anything more specific.

If you brew in a carboy or something, rousing might be an issue. A true Yorkshire yeast will probably need rousing, so a type of fermenter that you can get into would be preferable. Rousing is not such an issue with our smaller volumes. You only need to rouse if fermentation slows or stops, perhaps once in the morning and once at night if the yeast is being stubborn. Not many breweries still use traditional Yorkshire squares. The majority of Black Sheep fermenters are just stainless steel tanks. They have a recirculation pump and a fish-tail spray to rouse and aerate the yeast, which comes on for just five minutes every three hours or so.

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Re: Black Sheep Best Bitter

Post by GrowlingDogBeer » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:36 am

I actually went to Black Sheep Brewery while I was in Yorkshire last month, just to have a tour round a reasonable size brewery really, I had only ever been to micros before.

Their Yorkshire squares did not look as though they were in use at all, they seemed to be only using the large round stainless ones. While I was their one of the rousing sprays was running, it was quite a site, and a fantastic smell. Of course all their fermenters are also open, no lids. Just thought I'd mention it as their have been a few discussions about lids and airlocks just lately.

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Re: Black Sheep Best Bitter

Post by jim williams » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:20 am

GW, interesting that you recommend Ringwood. There are quite a few breweries around me using it, and frankly, I'm not crazy about most of the beers including Old Thumper by Shipyard in Portland, Me. I purposely sought out this beer while in the UK over the summer, and it doesn't taste like that in the US. To me, all the beers using the Ringwood strain here have a very unique flavor. Apparently, Ringwood takes quite a bit of finesse to control the diacetyl produced, and that may be just what I taste that I despise so much. Didn't pick it up in the UK brewed Old Thumper. Apparently, Grittys, also in Portland, uses the same old Ringwood and none of their beers throw that distinctive funk. To my taste, their Best Bitter could compete with anything I've had in the UK over the years.

Runwell, when I was at Black Sheep the tour guide made it very clear that the fermenters they use were not square, or slate for that matter, but they were the same basic design. When I was there one of them was spraying. it was quite a site. A bunch of the breweries in the US using the above strain also use a similar fermenter design based on Peter Austin of Ringwood. They all spray wort as they ferment, but most are on the 5-10barrel scale. It was cool seeing it on a large scale. Also cool seeing it on a small scale! It always struck me as odd. Seems like a perfect opportunity to oxidize perfectly good beer! Maybe, that's what is not being done very well here in the states. Knowing when to stop spraying! Thoughts?

Another cool thing on this trip was seeing the Burton Union setup in action at Marstons. Cool site, but that's for another thread I suppose.

Cheers

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Re: Black Sheep Best Bitter

Post by steve_flack » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:20 am

Graham wrote:
jim williams wrote:That makes sense. In the podcast, they mention not even adding finishing hops in the copper, but using a hopback exclusively. I forgot about that part. Any clue on the yeast used? Of course, I wouldn't be able to replicate the squares and the rousing involved, but...
The yeast should really be a "northern" yeast; a Yorkshire yeast. Ringwood brewery in England use a Yorkshire yeast, even though they are way down south. That same yeast is used by dozens of American microbreweries. I assume that the Wyeast "Ringwood" is derived from one of those American breweries, even though it does not seem to have the vigour of the real stuff from the brewery. That would be a good choice in the absence of anything more specific.
Wyeast currently are selling their 1469 West Yorkshire yeast which is reputed to be Tim Taylors yeast. IIRC that's the yeast the BN podcast used for their clone. I've used it in the past and it's a very vigorous, proper top cropping yeast. Certainly a lot more than the 'Ringwood' strains that are commercially available. They are a single strain whereas the true Ringwood is a mixed culture and are nothing like as top cropping as either the real thing or the West Yorkshire strain. If I was top cropping and it was available all year then 1469 would be my house strain - it's very nice.

1469 is available until December.

Reaper

Re: Black Sheep Best Bitter

Post by Reaper » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:52 pm

Hi
Have a look at my recipe section on the website, Barley Bottom. The recipe is my take on Black Sheep Best bitter.

Regards Paul

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Re: Black Sheep Best Bitter

Post by leedsbrew » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:03 pm

Runwell-Steve wrote:Their Yorkshire squares did not look as though they were in use at all, they seemed to be only using the large round stainless ones.

they are definitely still being used! :D :D

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