Golden ale recipes and the beer engine

[Kegman]

Hi all,

I fancy brewing a bit of a summer ale and have just come back from Devon where I had the fabulous Skinners Betty Stoggs (amongst 1 or 2 others) which I'd love to clone. I've also just had a glass of Old Golden Hen which tasted a bit zesty, this would also be good to clone.

Betty Stoggs
From a bit of Googling I've found that Betty Stoggs was made from blending Skinners Cornish Knocker & Best Bitter, plus also this nugget of information:
The Good Bottled Beer Guide, (Camra) says Cornish Knocker uses northdown ans styrian goldings, so I guess s.g are the finishing hops.
So I'm thinking of using just Pale Malt with these hops.

Old Golden Hen
I've found they use the Galaxy hop for this which is Tasmanian and is quite citrusy (and I'm thinking may be hard to get hold of?). So perhaps Pale Malt, Northdown and Simcoe for this?

Any thoughts on replicating either of these, I.e. Measures of hops etc? Would you add anything else?

Also, could the beer engine come in useful for this? If so, can anyone offer any advice on how to use it for this purpose?

Many thanks,

Kegman.

[Dennis King]

I bought Galaxy hops from the malt miller, as for the beer engine what are you storing the beer in.

[Kegman]

I bought Galaxy hops from the malt miller, as for the beer engine what are you storing the beer in.

Ahh, interesting, what did you make with them (and how did it turn out)??

Going to be brewing 23l and storing in a plastic pressure barrel.

Thanks,

Kegman.

[Dennis King]

I've made 2 single hop brews, using 50 gms added at various times on both brews. Only drank 1, the other one is still conditioning. The one I drank was very nice. Don't know about fitting a beer engine to a pressure barrel I use polypins.

[Kegman]

I've made 2 single hop brews, using 50 gms added at various times on both brews. Only drank 1, the other one is still conditioning. The one I drank was very nice. Don't know about fitting a beer engine to a pressure barrel I use polypins.

Ahh, I wondered why you asked about storing, when I said "Beer Engine" I was referring to Graham Wheeler's Beer Engine calculator:

http://www.practicalbrewing.co.uk/calcu ... eerengine/

I.e. Using this to create a clone.

Regards,

Kevin.

[Dennis King]

Sorry thought by beer engine you meant hand pump. I did use Graham's beer engine with the brews but you will need to add galaxy to the data base as it's not on there.

[Kegman]

OK, this is what I've come up with for my Betty Stoggs Clone by looking at recipes for other golden/pale ales and guessing the EBU & EBC, then playing with the numbers in the Beer Engine:

Pale Malt 3860 grams
Crystal Malt 140 grams
Sugar 70 grams

Challenger 22 grams 90mins
Northdown 9 grams 90mins
Styrian Goldings 11 grams 10 mins

Final Volume: 23 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.040
Final Gravity: 1.009
Alcohol Content: 4% ABV
Total Liquor: 32.3 Litres
Mash Liquor: 10 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 75 %
Bitterness: 30.3605086419292 EBU
Colour: 12 EBC

I figured it's a bit darker than typical golden ales hence EBC 12. Burton Bridge Golden Delicious is 30 EBU which is why I went for that.

Any thoughts? How close am I with the EBU & EBC?

Kegman.