Radical Wheat

[raiderman]

Last year I had a wheat beer at 6.5% that was bittered to the low 30s IBUs with falconer's flight hops that was very good.

Oh no. Another hop I clearly need to try! Having googled it makes me think that citra will go we'll in a wheat. Tasting in the bucket seems to have done so too,

[seymour]

Last year I had a wheat beer at 6.5% that was bittered to the low 30s IBUs with falconer's flight hops that was very good.

Oh no. Another hop I clearly need to try! Having googled it makes me think that citra will go we'll in a wheat. Tasting in the bucket seems to have done so too,

Just a quibble, but "Falconer's Flight" is not a hop, it's a blend of high-alpha American hops, which is prone to change depending on which cultivars produced the most left-overs each year, from what I can tell. Not to dog it, mind you, I've heard lots of good reports.

[Barley Water]

I often wondered what was going on with those blends they were selling. I for some reason I got the impression that the hop dealers were selling those blends because of shortages of the good stuff (Amarillo, Simcoe, Citra etc). Around here, Amarillo was starting to get rationed so I went out and bought half a pound on line just to make sure I could brew the beers on my list this year without having to substitute because I have a few "hop heavy" beers on my list this year. I personally would rather do the blending myself rather than have the hop dealers doing it for me.

[raiderman]

I didn't realise they changed the blend. Still interesting to see what they think mixes well

I kegged my wheat tonight smells great and the citra is quiet restrained so I'm going to dry hop with 30 g of pellets

[raiderman]

Had an Orange wheat at the Beer festival last night. Excelent. Citra in the blend, the more you think about it you just know it makes sense!

[Barley Water]

Well I got my hands on a six pack of Gumball Head. It's very good, much better than any American wheat beer I've tried before. It is essentially a wheat beer which has been hop bursted with Citra. For whatever reason, 3 Floyds likes their wheat beers clear I guess because the stuff looks like it was filtered. Anyhow the beer looks like a summer ale, it's not particularly bitter and it has a very strong flavor and aroma of citrus hops. I have been screwing around with Mosaic hops, I think what I may try is to make a cloudy wheat ale and burst it with a combination of Citra and Mosaic. What I think I'll end up with is a hazy pale beer with a combination of citrus and sweet mellon flavors; should be interesting. My initial take on Mosaic is that they are interesting however I don't think I would use them in stand alone mode because I could see how they might become too much (of course that is my opinion with limited experience and after all, what the hell do I know?).

[raiderman]

My initial take on Mosaic is that they are interesting however I don't think I would use them in stand alone mode because I could see how they might become too much (of course that is my opinion with limited experience and after all, what the hell do I know?).

I'm tending to agree that moasic will blend well, I'm intersted that you get mellon, at the risk of sounding like a sober Oz Clarke I get fruit salad in the FV and pear on kegging, but the wife, who has looked after her taste buds gets pear and grapefruit -but without the sharpe citrus of grapefruit, a detuned grapefruit I suppose! I'm thinking that moasic might give a very pleasant underlying bitterness then late hop with moasaic and eother simcoe, citra or even challenger might work well

[Barley Water]

Those hops taste like nothing I have come across before. I may not have described it well but I guess I'd call it sort of a mellon/tropical flavor. What I did was make an IPA with about a 1.065 O.G. and about 60 IBU's of bitterness. Since I mixed Amarillo and Mozaic I attributed the grapefruit to the Amarillo but perhaps the Mozaic has that going as well. Anyway, I need to do more research so I'll be pounding the IPA this weekend (as it is a holiday over here). One thing for sure though, adding those hops will make the beer much more complex tasting and unique which is a good thing. Furthermore, on this side of the pond you can hardly swing a dead cat without hitting a beer that has alot of grapefruit/pinetree flavor happening. Since I have a brew club party this weekend, I will likely throw some into a growler and feed it to some of the other members to see what reaction I get.

Since the original intent of this thread was wheat beers though, I guess what I am proposing here is that maybe these hops would work really well in a beer like that. Rather than using a bunch of Citra like 3 Floyds is doing, I'm thinking that a bit of Mozaic and maybe Simcoe or Amarillo would work really well also (and be quite different). Of course as always, your milage may vary.