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Re: attempt at a clone of Stone Sublimely Self Righteous

Post by Oli1979 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:36 am

In the ipa book by Mitch Steele, ( head brewer at stone) it states the ibu at 85. Not 120.

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Re: attempt at a clone of Stone Sublimely Self Righteous

Post by seymour » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:54 pm

Oli1979 wrote:In the ipa book by Mitch Steele, ( head brewer at stone) it states the ibu at 85. Not 120.
Yeah, and the website clearly states 90 IBU, but AlphaAcidHouse is right, they've made many contradictory statements to different outlets. AlphaAcidHouse ended-up reducing his anyway. It's gonna be good no matter what, that grainbill can support a ton of hops.

The other thing which hardly anyone talks about, is that so many breweries overstate their IBUs based on theoretical AA% and imaginary efficiencies. I took a VIP tour of Schlafly last week, including an indepth talk about their lab. The IBUs printed on Schlafly labels is always based on true lab analysis of each batch. They've also analyzed numerous popular store-bought beers which advertise 120+ IBU and they always come out around 40-50 in reality!

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Re: attempt at a clone of Stone Sublimely Self Righteous

Post by orlando » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:58 pm

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Re: attempt at a clone of Stone Sublimely Self Righteous

Post by bigrichlock » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:51 pm

The 120IBU's stated is prob in relation to IBU's in the wort, after fermentation the IBU's in the finished beer will be closer to 80-90ish. Both values are correct just at different stages of production.

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Re: attempt at a clone of Stone Sublimely Self Righteous

Post by seymour » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:31 am

bigrichlock wrote:The 120IBU's stated is prob in relation to IBU's in the wort, after fermentation the IBU's in the finished beer will be closer to 80-90ish. Both values are correct just at different stages of production.
Oh come on! Is that really their explanation? The average beer drinker knows nothing of the different stages of brewing. We should be able to trust that the label refers to the bitterness of the contents we're about to pour into our glass. Silliness.

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Re: attempt at a clone of Stone Sublimely Self Righteous

Post by bigrichlock » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:01 pm

Seymour, If you listen to any of the pod casts done by Mitch Steel he often refers to IBU's in the Wort verse after fermentation is complete, what is written on the bottle should be whats in the beer - i would hope.

If we are trying to clone these beers then the more information the better, and were not really the average drinker :-)

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Re: attempt at a clone of Stone Sublimely Self Righteous

Post by alikocho » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:29 pm

Im pretty sure the recipe for this is in Steele's IPA book...

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Re: attempt at a clone of Stone Sublimely Self Righteous

Post by leedsbrew » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:26 pm

bigrichlock wrote:Seymour, If you listen to any of the pod casts done by Mitch Steel he often refers to IBU's in the Wort verse after fermentation is complete, what is written on the bottle should be whats in the beer - i would hope.

If we are trying to clone these beers then the more information the better, and were not really the average drinker :-)

Cheers

Rich
I think what Seymour is lauding to is that there is a difference between 'calculated IBU' and analytically 'measured' IBU

This is due to the flaws that are in most (if not all) of the formulae/calculations for calculating IBU, wether it's rager or tinseth et al!

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