Old Beers & Brewing

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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by EddtheBrew » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:49 am

Eric wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:12 pm
Thanks for this most interesting thread.
Edd,you mentioned your interest in breweries to the east of the Pennines, have you any information Nimmo's of Castle Eden? I'm especially interested in Nimmo's XXXX of the nineteen fifties and sixties.
Hi Eric ,
I'm afraid that I've not managed to get up to Durham Archives ........ Yet !! , but I've listed the brewery records that they hold below ; and I'd be happy to convert and pictures of them you can send ; if you pop me a PM , I'll reply with my email address etc .
The County Record Office in Durham Holdings, catalogue references for them below, organized by company then year , and if you have a gander at their website , or email them @ record. office@durham.gov.uk ; they'll be able to let you know about photos etc .
VAUX Collection:
Brewing Books
D/va 131 : Castle Brewery , Stockton 1899-1901
Broadway Brewery ; Burton on Trent
D/va 132 : 1900 - 1915
D/va : 133 : 1915 - 1916

J Nimmo & Sons Collection
Brewing Books
D /Ni/16/2 = 11/11/1942 - 06/02/1945
". / 3 = 07/02/1945 - 30/04/1947
". /4 = 20/09/1956. - 03/02/1959
". / 5 = 04/02/1959 - 05/06/1961
". / 6 = 10/10/1963. - 09/10/1961
". / 7 = 21/09/1965. - 08/09/1967

Brewing Costs Book 21/08 - 09/11/1948
D/ Ni / 16/8
I hope that helps , and I look forward to doing a few North Eastern historic beer recipies for you ,
Cheers
Edd
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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by Eric » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:34 am

Very many thanks fr this Edd, that is very valuable information. I'll contact the Record Office having intended doing that for family history for many years but never have, but this time there's no excuse. I'll PM for an exchange of email addresses too. Again many thanks.
Eric.
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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by HTH1975 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:12 pm

How does one go about getting this info? There are long-defunct breweries here in Thirsk that would be great to research. Getting recipes would be amazing

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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by EddtheBrew » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:32 pm

HTH1975 wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:12 pm
How does one go about getting this info? There are long-defunct breweries here in Thirsk that would be great to research. Getting recipes would be amazing
Hi ,
I'll have a look around and see what I can find , could you let me know which brewers you're interested in? , as the only North Yorkshire brewery whose records I've seen are those of Charles Rose & Co , The Old Brewery , Malton 1895-8 ( just after Rose's bought the brewery) .
A couple of other bits though , not all breweries production records have survived in public archives , quite a few would have been fed to the boilers , burnt or just skipped !! , sometimes the brewer at the time of closure might have 'rescued' some .
Happy to convert any that turn up though ! , pop me a pm if you'd like to correspond directly ,
Cheers
Edd
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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by HTH1975 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:35 pm

EddtheBrew wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:32 pm
HTH1975 wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:12 pm
How does one go about getting this info? There are long-defunct breweries here in Thirsk that would be great to research. Getting recipes would be amazing
Hi ,
I'll have a look around and see what I can find , could you let me know which brewers you're interested in? , as the only North Yorkshire brewery whose records I've seen are those of Charles Rose & Co , The Old Brewery , Malton 1895-8 ( just after Rose's bought the brewery) .
A couple of other bits though , not all breweries production records have survived in public archives , quite a few would have been fed to the boilers , burnt or just skipped !! , sometimes the brewer at the time of closure might have 'rescued' some .
Happy to convert any that turn up though ! , pop me a pm if you'd like to correspond directly ,
Cheers
Edd
There were two Thirsk breweries - Kirkgate (also known as Castle) Brewery and also Rhoads Brewery.

As far as I can tell, they were both defunct by around the early 1900s.

Kirkgate Brewery was also a maltsters. Interesting that if this was common practice, then regional beers would have differed by virtue of not just the water profile and yeast, but also the local malts.

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Post by EddtheBrew » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:23 pm

Hi ,
I don't think that any old brewing production records from those will have survived , though if they were attached to pubs , maybe they're hiding in the attics? , another research avenue might be a notice on the nearest local history forum group's webpage .
On the locally made malt thing , yup it would add individuality along with process steps , and yeast !
I'll keep digging though ,

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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by HTH1975 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:00 pm

EddtheBrew wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:23 pm
Hi ,
I don't think that any old brewing production records from those will have survived , though if they were attached to pubs , maybe they're hiding in the attics? , another research avenue might be a notice on the nearest local history forum group's webpage .
On the locally made malt thing , yup it would add individuality along with process steps , and yeast !
I'll keep digging though ,

Cheers

Edd
The buildings where they ‘were’ are now houses. I’m sure someone somewhere will have more info, but getting my hands on it will be the hard bit.

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Post by EddtheBrew » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:03 pm

Yup that's about right ! , welcome to the weird , wonderful and at times bloody exasperating world of beer & brewing history research !!!
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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by EddtheBrew » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:25 pm

Hi All ,
here`s another historical gem for you to have a go at , a nice simple Bitter Ale from 1896 , hope you enjoy it , and I`d appreciate any pictures of the finished product !! ,
Cheers & Happy Mashing

Edd

Copyright E Mather 2018
Henry Bentley & Co Ltd , Eshaldwell Brewery , Woodlesford ; Nr Leeds
BITTER ALE 27 / 10 / 1896
OG: 1.050 Racking Gravity : 1.013 Final Gravity : 1.009
I B U : 45 A . B . V : 4¾ %
MALT
Chevalier Pale Ale Malt 60 %
Pale Ale - Maris Otter 34 %
SUGARS
No 3 Invert Sugar (Block) 5¼ %
(Add at copper let off , before ½ hour stand prior to cooling and sending to the Hop Back)
MASHING : 1St Mash Heat : 152 F / 66 ½ c @ 2.865 L/Kg at goods in , and until + 30 minutes .
2Nd Mash Heat : 156 F / 68¾ - 69 c @ 0.965 L/kg ( 69 = ABSOLUTE TOP HEAT ) at + 30 minutes until + 120 minutes .
SPARGING : @ 165 F / 73½ - 74 C , and at 3.865 L/Kg , at + 125/130 minutes , Until an estimated last runnings gravity of 1.004 .
COPPER : A 1 ¾ hour boil , with the first charge at + 15 – 20 minutes , a second at + 65 minutes and a third at +80 – 85 minutes , add the sugar @ +105 Mins , then stand the copper ½ hour before cooling to pitching heat and sending to the hop back for a ½ hour stand , the 5 of Hops to the h.b , being an % of the total bittering hops weight , add 12 – 15 g copper finings @ Let Off – 15 minutes.
HOPS
First Charge : Brewer`s Gold (Stale/ Old) 10 IBU
Fuggles 15 IBU
Second Charge : East Kent Goldings 12 IBU
Third Charge : East Kents 5 IBU
Brewer`s Gold 3 IBU
HOP BACK : Fuggles 6 % , Brewer`s Gold 4%
Yeast Pitching & Fermentation
Pitch with 5 ½ g per litre of a Yorkshire Square type yeast strain , at 59 F / 15 c
And allow 24 hours before first rouse (every 8 – 12 hours until 1.019 ) ; allow a free rise to an absolute top heat of 66 F / 19 c and rouse as above , and skim first dirty head , and again 4 hours after the last rouse .
Stop fermentation by cooling to pitching heat over 48 hours from 1.017 , and once at pitching heat , allow a two day rest before racking into a cask .
RACKING & MATURATION
After fermentation has finished , rack into a cask , adding the racking hops (25 L ~ 10g East Kents , 6 g Fuggles . Racking Temp : 58 -59F / 15 C , and stand three/ four days as above , before cellaring for a minimum of one month at 52 – 54 F / 11 – 13 C , add the cask finings 48 hours prior to Tapping & Venting and roll well , stillage and T & V 48 hours later , and drink @ t&v + 36 – 48 hours.
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Post by EddtheBrew » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:25 pm

Hi All ,
A big thankyou to Eric , who`s kindly been to the County Durham record office and been able to snap some old brewing records which he`s sent to me .
I`ve attatched a table of the Vaux beers i`ve converted , any requests ?? ,
Cheers & Happy Mashing Guys
Edd


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Post by EddtheBrew » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:47 pm

Hi All ,
An update on the book project ; I've now chosen the beers for the book with 100 recipies !! , and the provisional/ working title is "Brewed Up North, with a secondary title " Old Beers and Brewing in the north of England 1844 - 1967"
Cheers
Edd
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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by swiggingpig » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:49 am

EddtheBrew wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:47 pm
Hi All ,
An update on the book project ; I've now chosen the beers for the book with 100 recipies !! , and the provisional/ working title is "Brewed Up North, with a secondary title " Old Beers and Brewing in the north of England 1844 - 1967"
Cheers
Edd
Do you have an expected release date for your book ?

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Post by EddtheBrew » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:56 pm

Hi Swiggingpig ,
I've not got a release date as yet , as I've not found a publisher yet ! .
I've done the fun part with writing the recipies, I've just got to put the flesh on the bones , and choose illustrations !! ,
Cheers
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Re: Old Beers & Brewing

Post by swiggingpig » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:05 pm

EddtheBrew wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:56 pm
Hi Swiggingpig ,
I've not got a release date as yet , as I've not found a publisher yet ! .
I've done the fun part with writing the recipies, I've just got to put the flesh on the bones , and choose illustrations !! ,
Cheers
Edd
Good luck finding a publisher or perhaps self publish on Lulu as Ron Pattinson does.

You can put me down for a copy :)

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Post by EddtheBrew » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:06 pm

Cheers mate , at least I've managed to select the recipies !! Not as easy as it sounds ;) !!
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