Theakston Old perculiar

[Madbrewer]

The Home Brew Shop in Aldershot are advertising this as 'in stock'

http://www.the-home-brew-shop.co.uk/acatalog/Beer.html


Seems like this will still be a popular seller. I keep meaning to pick up a copy, sounds like this'll be sooner rather than later as I didnt realise it was in short supply!

Was in there a week ago, there were a few copies still on the shelves - dunno how rediculously small the re-runs have been, but for such a quality book to be 'practically' out of print one year on would seem to be a bit of an own goal to dsy the least.

[Horatio]

[quote="Graham]
Not only that, they wanted me to write a chapter list, chapter description, proposal, outline and similar bureaucratic crap, before starting the book.[/quote]

That seems to apply to all editors/publishers I have ever dealt with. I only write articles and fillers (rarely more than 1500 words) and they always want a fully detailed proposal and outline first, even though the editor/publisher will have published dozens of my articles before! Often, on the smaller pieces, the outline and proposal take longer to write than the bloody article! Just read the bloody article, if you don’t like it then bin it! BTW, this is not aimed at CAMRA as my writing is not beer related.

Sorry to depart from the topic!

[SMASH3R]

Back on topic,

Is the consensus for adding only fuggles to this brew, or do other hops play a part/have others tried any other hops?

[pas8280]

Brewed thisn in early March as it is one of my favourites recipe from Grahams book (beat the rush got it for crimbo) four weeks after bottling i wasn't thrilled by it had a stronger flavour than the original so i left it a whilst.
Just cracked a bottle tonight wow what a difference just like the original only better because i made it
I dont understand CAMRA's issues but it seems to me if there is a market for a product (which there clearly is) if you dont service that demand someone else will

[Graham]

I dont understand CAMRA's issues but it seems to me if there is a market for a product (which there clearly is) if you dont service that demand someone else will

Who is going to service it? There are not many people in Britain that have attempted to write home brewing books, and those that have been brave enough have not found a publisher. It is being serviced by American authors, along with certain homilies, bad habits and pseudo science.

I am sure that CAMRA view me as a neurotic primadonna, but I am a grumpy old man now, at least by many people's standards, so the next version of "Home Brewing" will be my last gasp, so to speak. Because it will be my last gasp, it has to be good; very, very good,; the very best that I can do. No compromises. I am not prepared or willing to jump through certain hoops that the publishers seem to expect of me. My track record is fairly good; very few people, if any, have felt disappointed or cheated after buying my books; the recipes always work, advice is sound enough, and stuff like that. But a 400-page, 200,000-word, semi technical book cannot be knocked-up in four or five months. If anyone wishes to try it, be my guest, and service the demand. I'm getting too old for it now.

[Grot]

Cheers for the perseverance, Graham. I've got your latest and find it a refreshing change from books written by my compatriots.

This sounds like an opportunity for print on demand. I've seen one these demo'd and it's quite impressive. It looks like Blackwell on Charing Cross in London has one, though it sounds like it would be tilting at windmills to bring this up with CAMRA.
http://www.ondemandbooks.com/

[Graham]

Cheers for the perseverance, Graham. I've got your latest and find it a refreshing change from books written by my compatriots.

Sorry, this was not meant to be a direct (or indirect) knock at the competence of American home brewing authors; it is just that Britain is losing its own home brewing identity because there are few British authors left. John Palmer seems to be King these days, both sides of the Atlantic, and although there is little wrong with that, or him, I am noticing that the more impressionable British home brewers are now talking in terms of SRM, US gallons, dough-in (rather than mash-in), Krausen (rather than balm), and a dozen others. It will not be long before British home brewers lose the ability to produce a traditional real ale - it will all be ASB soon.

This sounds like an opportunity for print on demand. I've seen one these demo'd and it's quite impressive. It looks like Blackwell on Charing Cross in London has one, though it sounds like it would be tilting at windmills to bring this up with CAMRA.
http://www.ondemandbooks.com/

Yes, Blackwells in Oxford (their proper home) has print on demand. I have looked at self publishing and other options, such as e-books and print on demand, but in the end I might just as well shove what I have done up on my web site for free and be done with it. There is nothing that can match a proper printed book though. We will see - this time next year there might be a new book from me - but not this year - it's too late now.

[Grot]

Sorry, this was not meant to be a direct (or indirect) knock at the competence of American home brewing authors; it is just that Britain is losing its own home brewing identity because there are few British authors left. John Palmer seems to be King these days, both sides of the Atlantic, and although there is little wrong with that, or him, I am noticing that the more impressionable British home brewers are now talking in terms of SRM, US gallons, dough-in (rather than mash-in), Krausen (rather than balm), and a dozen others. It will not be long before British home brewers lose the ability to produce a traditional real ale - it will all be ASB soon.

No offense taken, I didn't see that as a knock at all. I think people over here like to defer to authority in areas like brewing or cooking so they see only one way to do things based on one or two books. Your book gave me different ways to look at things and I'm glad I stumped up for the Amazon.uk shipping. It's only made it to Amazon US in the past few weeks.

[pas8280]

Apologies Graham it was't meant to be a slant against yourself i was trying to make a point that your product was in demand and that there would be others interested in assisting you to get it to print and CAMRA would evidently lose out.

[The Home Brew Shop]

The Home Brew Shop in Aldershot are advertising this as 'in stock'

http://www.the-home-brew-shop.co.uk/acatalog/Beer.html


Seems like this will still be a popular seller. I keep meaning to pick up a copy, sounds like this'll be sooner rather than later as I didnt realise it was in short supply!

Was in there a week ago, there were a few copies still on the shelves - dunno how rediculously small the re-runs have been, but for such a quality book to be 'practically' out of print one year on would seem to be a bit of an own goal to dsy the least.

I can confirm we have LOADS in stock, at the current time, @ £12.99

[Befuddler]

I can confirm we have LOADS in stock, at the current time, @ £12.99

Now we know where all the copies are.

[boingy]

Maybe we should buy them all and then knock them out on ebay at £50 each....

[TC2642]

I've been trying to get hold of a new copy aswell, placed an order with WH Smiths, beofre that Amazon, but cancelled that due to the fact they couldn't get get any. Bah!

[Graham]

Apologies Graham it was't meant to be a slant against yourself i was trying to make a point that your product was in demand and that there would be others interested in assisting you to get it to print and CAMRA would evidently lose out.

I never thought it was a slur. I was just venting my frustration at the whole situation; it happens every time, so I should be used to it by now. The new book could have been out by late summer had I been given enough advance warning and a reasonable deadline. Now the book is shelved again and is unlikely to be published in the near future. It would be nice to have a "proper" publisher, rather than an organisation that does books as a sideline, but I am sure that the CAMRA logo helps to establish its credentials.

The supply situation for the recipe book will resolve itself. It is annoying because the big retailers, like Amazon, W.H. Smith and the like, have a policy of dropping books from their lists if they keep going out of print. The application of a bit of basic statistical methods could have ensured that CAMRA never run out of stock. Something has happened at Amazon over the last couple of days. It's back on their list, although they now supply it to order rather than stock it themselves. But it looks as if the book is back in stock at the wholesalers.

[Minimasher]

How many have you sold then Graham? Would be interesting to know how many people have it? I don't know anyone other than people on this forum that brew themselves... Not mates, colleagues or family...