Old recipes from Shut up about Barclay Perkins

[Graham]

Coming Soon!



Errm.. Coming eventually is more truthful than soon.

Sorry Jim, should have asked first.

[Dennis King]

Can we get a discount for defending you Graham

[boingy]

This is like watching those programmes about rock bands of yesteryear where they have to interview each of the band members separately because they refuse to be in a room together any more. They are all talking about the same stuff but somehow each version is different. In the end, all of them look a bit foolish.

Reading a thread where rival brewing authors slag each other off makes me inclined to avoid all of their books...

[mashweasel]

Very fair point. To think danger mouse was so wise.

[MMBrewing]

Coming Soon!



Errm.. Coming eventually is more truthful than soon.

Sorry Jim, should have asked first.

Picture printed,laminated and labelled "keep an eye out for this for my birthday"

I have BYOBRA 3rd edition and its been well read.

[critch]

Ive made lots of grahams recipes. Without him i wouldnt have become interested in ag and now own my own microbrewery.Since opening last year ive scooped quite a few awards with our own recipe beers.Ive also recreated ales from the past for said brewery,(Higsons anyone?) from their old brewlogs.(i studied logs going back 50 years for this, the malts therein were named after the farmer they got them from there were multiple sources for safeties sake)when i asked three seperate uk maltsters opinions when we started out(warminsters fawcetts and muntons)their reaction was 2 row for beer 6 row for bread..... and i have to say i do feel that 6 row can help introduce haze to unchillfiltered english cask ales

this pretty much echoes the porter brewery instillations and brewlabs stance


think ill stick with the opinions of these gentlemen if you dont mind

also ragus still make brewers caramel and weyermann malt do a similar colouring derivered from malt called sinamar iirc(if thats any help to anyone)

[Invalid Stout]

But Ragus only sell commercial-sized quantities, that seems to be the issue. I don't know any homebrewers who'd need to buy invert sugar by the pallet.

For those interested in the "unworkable" recipes, there's a full listing here: http://www.unholymess.com/blog/lets-brew . The Kernel brewery in London is using one of these recipes and winning awards with it, so it works for them.

[mshergold]

I've never seen any of Kristen England's work (a quick Google reveals nothing but Shut Up About Barclay Perkins and posts on forums), but do have Graham's BYOBRA. It's published by CAMRA who ought to know a lot about beer. Although when it comes to making money, anyone's principles can be stretched. Graham tells you how to prime in his book. Based on what I've read elsewhere on the forum, CAMRA would consider this act worthy of excommunication if they ever caught you at it (please note, I prime all my beers following Graham's instructions). I would say Graham comes out on top as far as this argument goes, as you can make a beer from BYOBRA and when it's ready to drink, go and buy the same beer and compare the two, whereas no-one can with any of Barclay Perkins beers.

One other point, is it just me or are there several people who've joined the forum just to fight Kristen England's corner?

[Invalid Stout]

Graham tells you how to prime in his book. Based on what I've read elsewhere on the forum, CAMRA would consider this act worthy of excommunication if they ever caught you at it (please note, I prime all my beers following Graham's instructions).

Eh? CAMRA have nothing against priming.

I would say Graham comes out on top as far as this argument goes, as you can make a beer from BYOBRA and when it's ready to drink, go and buy the same beer and compare the two, whereas no-one can with any of Barclay Perkins beers.

How is this relevant? It says nothing at all about the quality of the recipes. Yes, Barclay Perkins and Whitbread aren't around anymore. All the more grounds, I would say, to make recipes available so that people can brew them. I could equally well argue that Kristen comes out on top for the same reason, because if you want Marston's Pedigree you can just go and buy some, whereas the Let's Brew posts give you recipes for beers that you can only taste by brewing them yourself.

One other point, is it just me or are there several people who've joined the forum just to fight Kristen England's corner?

Ron did, which is fair enough as it's his blog being attacked, and apparently one other person. So what?

[mshergold]

Eh? CAMRA have nothing against priming.

As I said, my comments on priming were only based on what I've read on the forum. I stand corrected.

How is this relevant?

I didn't say it was a bad thing people are trying to re-create long-gone beers. It's something I'm quite interested in myself and have added one or two of Ron's books to a rather long list I have and enjoy his blog on a semi-regular basis. I don't think this agument between Graham and Kristen arguing over who's better is just down to Barclay Perkins Beer. All I meant was for the purposes of who is better as far as clone recipes go, with BYOBRA, I can compare a clone I've made and the original, but I can't with a Barclay Perkins beer.

Anyway, your signature says you're planning a millk stout. I've never had a milk stout, but it's on my list of things to make. What are they like?