Waggle Dance Clone

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eskimobob

Waggle Dance Clone

Post by eskimobob » Sun May 28, 2006 8:04 pm

Here is my clone recipe for a 19 litre batch:
3750g Pale malt
60g Crystal Malt
500g Honey (Acacia)
45g Fuggles (for 90 mins)
45g Goldings (for 90 mins)
5g Irish Moss (for last 15 mins)

Mash for 90 mins at about 64C.
Original gravity 1044
Final Gravity 1008
IBU 35
Efficiency 85%
White Labs (WLP002) liquid yeast

Here's a link to my brew day with this recipe including my comparison against Waggle Dance and Bumble Bee.

I'm planning on brewing this again shortly with more honey...

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It's the one on the right.
Last edited by eskimobob on Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:25 am, edited 1 time in total.

eskimobob

Re: Waggle Dance Clone

Post by eskimobob » Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:03 pm

eskimobob wrote:I'm planning on brewing this again shortly with more honey...
Well I did brew it again with twice the amount of honey and I am just supping the last half pint out of the cornie :cry:

I think I prefer the version with more honey although something in between the two might be on the cards in future...

Anyway, here's a link to my Bumble Beeversion.

SteveD

Post by SteveD » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:27 pm

Ok, I take it there wasn't enough honey flavour and aroma in the first batch? The link to your brew day won't work for me so I don't know when you introduced the honey into the process, or what you did to it before it went in... but here goes...

Boiling honey drives off the flavour and aroma, so if you chuck it into the boiler as you would other sugars, it's a bit of a waste. Recipes for Mead tell you NOT to boil the honey for that reason....they sterilise with sulphite.

I didn't know this when I did my first honey beer, with a jar and a half of honey (750g), and when I went to taste it upon barrelling it just tasted like normal bitter. Whoa!! I figured out that the boil had killed it, so, I quickly prepared about 4 oz honey with which to prime the barrel. I was reticent about just chucking it in straight from the jar as honey can still contain various bugs that we don't really want in our ale, so I heated it up to quite hot, but not actually boiling, for a minute or two, then into the barrel. The honey flavour and aroma was restored nicely. It's the same idea as priming Old Peculier with black treacle to get that particular taste.

Subsequently, I've not bothered to use honey in the main grain/sugar bill at all, merely primed the barrel with it, and it works fine. If you wanted to use more honey you could add it to the boiler right at the end of the boil, or into the fermenter before the yeast goes in. Stirring it in would help oxygenate the wort to boot, killing two birds with one stone!

As I can't read your brew day post, I don't know your procedures and I may therfore be trying to teach grandma to suck eggs here, in which case, grovelling apologies! :oops:


Cheers

Steve

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:02 am

I can't load your web page either EB :cry:

Any chance of spilling the beans on the Bumble Bee :wink:

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:23 am

I can't load your web page either EB
I can get it now...must have been a server error 8)

eskimobob

Post by eskimobob » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:24 am

Weird that, the server must have been having a go slow...

I put the honey in for the last 5 mins of the boil so hopefully won't have driven off too many goodies. I take your point though and might leave it until the last minute of boil next time just so that it gets a good mixing and sterilisation. Like you say SteveD, would be worrying to put it straight in the FV without any sterilisation at all.

The original versionI did was nice but tasted mostly like bitter as you say so I increased the honey and got a lovely honey aroma and nice taste this time but I may back it off a little next time and see what I get.

Wez

Post by Wez » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:59 am

Found this in the archives... 8)

I want to make a honey beer and thought i'd try this recipe, which I have tweaked a bit, I think i'll put the honey in for the last few mins of the boil. How does this look? Any particular type of honey I should use? And what yeast reccomendations do you have?

25L batch
Target OG 1044
EBU 35

3900gm Pale Malt (MO) 82.6%
70gm Crystal Malt 1.5%
750gm Honey 15.9%
40gm Fuggles [AA 4.50%] (90 min) 19.1 IBU
65gm Styrian Goldings [AA 2.00%] (90 min) 13.8 IBU
25gm Styrian Goldings [AA 2.00%] (10 min) 1.8 IBU

eskimobob

Post by eskimobob » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:52 am

Hi Wez,

I have used reasonably cheap honey (although one time it was Morrisons Select or Tesco's Premium or something like that but on special offer).

As for yeast, I've used Whitelabs liquid yeast and Safale S04. No great different between the two so I'd go for the cheaper option of the S04.

Hope you have fun with this...

Edit: Just spotted your other post on this - Doh!

greenxpaddy

Re: Waggle Dance Clone

Post by greenxpaddy » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:06 am

You can get irradiated honey. i think its Manuka honey normally that does this.

I have decided not only to prime with honey but will be adding the honey post boil when the temperature is down to 82C.

I'm thinking of this grain bill

6kg pale malt
420g wheat malt
120g crystal malt

1kg honey

35l batch

70g Fuggles 90 mins
15g EK Goldings 90 mins

30g EK Goldings 10 mins

20g Bramling Cross dry hop

Mash schedule 90 mins at 64C for drier finish to combat the honey

OG target 1044
FG 1008

Wyeast 1028

How does that sound?

greenxpaddy

Re: Waggle Dance Clone

Post by greenxpaddy » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:07 pm

The honeyed ale I have named 'Buzz Buzz Beer' was brewed Thursday night.

In the end the gravity was quite high anyway so I didn't use all of the honey straight away. 2 jars 680g was added during cooling at 80C.

The last jar will be used to prime. 340g should work out the perfect quantity for 35L. Obviously will pasteurise it first. Checked it after 3 days and normal krausen, the hop bag is floating at top. I hope I didn't use too much Bramling Cross - 20g about right?

Also added was 30g Dried Elderflowers at 5mins.

The Wyeast 1028 is not famed for lots of fruitiness which is what I would want given everything else going on here.

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