B_D's next brew - suggestions please!

[bitter_dave]

Phew! I've finally got a bit of time for brewing. As long I get the stuff sent to me in time I should be brewing next weekend

I want to have a go at an American style ale, although it will be dispensed from a King Keg rather than bottles as life really is too short for bottling beer. It will therefore be less carbonated than sierra nevada, the only APA I've tried, but I like less carbonated beer anyway, so I don't think this will be a problem (let me know if you think it is...).

Anyway, I've put this recipe together and I'd really appreciate your feedback -

5 kg Marris Otter
0.250 kg Crystal

Mash at 67 C.

83g Cascade (4.8 AAUs; 90 mins)
15g Cascade (last 20 mins)
15g Cascade (0 mins, allowed to soak 20 mins then cooled by IC)
12g Cascade (Dry Hop)

Yeast: Safale US 56.

OG about 1045 at 70% efficiency (according to wheeler; 50 according to Promash but Wheeler works for me).
Total IBUs = 34.
Ratio IBU:OG = 0.75.

The recipe is based on using up a 125g pack of cascades. I'll also have some Fuggles and Goldings, so I could always use them for part of the bittering and increase the late hops.

What do people think? I'm happy to change the recipe if people have suggestions. I like lots of hop flavour (for example, I really liked the bitter and Twisted Recipe).

[mysterio]

Looks good. I would tend to up the crystal malt slightly to 300 - 350 grams depending on what colour EBC you're using. That should get it closer to the amber hue of SNPA. Also US56 tends to attenuate to below 1.010 so I would consider some body malts like CaraPils.

I actually put a full 70 grams of Cascade at the end of the boil when I made my last American style pale ale. This gave a really massive aroma & flavour which I liked. I would consider using something else for the bittering and keeping the extra Cascade for nearer the end of the boil. Hop & Grape now sell Magnum bittering hops which SNPA uses. Also Amarillo is an excellent floral/citrusy hop.

[bitter_dave]

Looks good. I would tend to up the crystal malt slightly to 300 - 350 grams depending on what colour EBC you're using.

Not sure - standard youngs Crystal malt

That should get it closer to the amber hue of SNPA. Also US56 tends to attenuate to below 1.010 so I would consider some body malts like CaraPils.

Bugger. Need to call H&G again and hopefully can change my order. Would 500g of number one be ok?:

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I actually put a full 70 grams of Cascade at the end of the boil when I made my last American style pale ale. This gave a really massive aroma & flavour which I liked. I would consider using something else for the bittering and keeping the extra Cascade for nearer the end of the boil. Hop & Grape now sell Magnum bittering hops which SNPA uses. Also Amarillo is an excellent floral/citrusy hop

HALLERTAUER PERLE as bittering hop?I don't want to faff with pellets, and amerillo = pricey

[bitter_dave]

Ok, well just added 500g Carapils malt and a pack of Hallateur Perle Hops to the order - wanted to get the order changed before it went out the door.

Thanks for help btw Mysterio Will adjust the recipe and post agin for further decontruction

[niall]

Hi BD, I used CaraPils in my SNPA clone and it worked really well, sounds like a nice recipe you've got.

[bitter_dave]

Hi Niall, thanks for that; I missed your SNPA recipe first time around:

1kg Pale Malt
200gr Crystal 40
200gr Cara Pils
1.5kg LME
1.5kg Extra Light DME
45gr Galena @ 60 minutes
28g Cascade @ 15 minutes
56gr Cascade @ 0 minutes
40 gr Cascade (dry hop)
Safale US 56 Yeast

Looks likes like a tasty fella I've never made a beer with that many hops! In the past I've allowed the after-boil hops to sit for 20-30 mins before cooling (except for my last beer, which had less of a hop flavour). I'm guessing when there are that many hops it's important to get the wort cooled immediately after you add the last lot of hops? (I've just started using an immersion chiller)

[niall]

I like hops I thought it would be over the top but it worked out well for me. I didn't have a problem cooling as I could only partial boil about 9 litres at the time. I topped up with cold water and it cooled within 20 to 30 minutes. I'm guessing that with a full boil you would have better hop utilisation though so the hop bill could be cut back. I only recently got my immersion chiller so haven't had a chance to test it yet. I can't wait to try an an all grain version of this style so I'll be watching your progress closely

[mysterio]

Perle would be an ideal bittering hop I reckon, infact any high AA% hop. Here's the last APA I made. If I were to make it again I would lower the OG to more like your recipe, at least double (or triple) the crystal because it was undetectable, and up the carapils to 400-500 grams. It has a nice side effect of giving the beer a thick head. The IBUs were good though. At the end I just put the hops in, give it a stir and use the immersion cooler immediately.

Batch Size: 5.10 Imp Gal
Efficiency: 65%
OG 1.057 (FG ~1.009)
IBU: 34
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6.00 kg Pale Malt (Maris Otter)
0.35 kg CaraPils
0.13 kg Crystal malt (75 EBC)
Single Infusion @ 68C (90mins)
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Centennial (AA:11%) 28g (60mins)
Northern Brewer 25g (15mins)
Cascade 70g (0mins)
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Safale US-56

[bitter_dave]

Thanks for our help fellas

This is what I've come up with based on your advice; interested to here your views, suggestions for changes etc:

5 kg Marris Otter
0.3 kg Crystal
0.25 kg Carapils

48 g Perle (90 mins; 31 IBUs)
28 g Cascade (20 mins; 2.7 IBUs)
56 g Cascade (0 mins; 0 IBUs)
40 g Cascade (dry hop; 0 IBUS)

OG 1049 according to Promash and 70% efficiency.
IBUs 33.4

Yeast US 56
Mash 67 ish

Edit - may up the carapils having reread you post Mysterio, and reduce the pale male accordingly.

[BitterTed]

Thanks for our help fellas

This is what I've come up with based on your advice; interested to here your views, suggestions for changes etc:

5 kg Marris Otter
0.3 kg Crystal
0.25 kg Carapils

48 g Perle (90 mins; 31 IBUs)
28 g Cascade (20 mins; 2.7 IBUs)
56 g Cascade (0 mins; 0 IBUs)
40 g Cascade (dry hop; 0 IBUS)

OG 1049 according to Promash and 70% efficiency.
IBUs 33.4

Yeast US 56
Mash 67 ish

Edit - may up the carapils having reread you post Mysterio, and reduce the pale male accordingly.

This recipe here looks real close to SNPA, so I say go for it!!

[niall]

Looks spot on - very close to SNPA I think.

I would agree with the selection of Perle for bittering as this is what SNPA uses. This also turns out similar to Anchor Brewing's Liberty Ale (which unlike SNPA is actually dry hopped)

[bitter_dave]

great, thanks guys I'll brew it pretty much as it stands then. It'll be a bit weaker than SNPA and less carbonated as it's going in a king keg, but this suits my tastes anyway. (I've only bottled one beer before and NEVER again )

Can't wait to brew it now; let's hope the ingredients arrive in time for this weekend

[bitter_dave]

Can't wait to brew it now; let's hope the ingredients arrive in time for this weekend

Yay, my ingredients have arrived in a sack

Brewing this weekend

[crow_flies]

(I've only bottled one beer before and NEVER again )

why what happened BD?

/CF

[bitter_dave]

(I've only bottled one beer before and NEVER again )

why what happened BD?

/CF

Nothing really - I bottled a Brewferm kit, it bottled fine - no oxidation etc. But I found it so fiddly and for some reason I hated doing it; as I find every other bit of this hobby enjoyable I see no reason to take on tasks which are a chore, so I decided to stick to barreling draft beers, which I generally prefer anyway.