deuchars ipa

[slurp the apprentice]

Just started to brew this recipe .Its my first attempt of this clone and my first ever brew using golden promise. I am using 5kilo of G/promise 12grams of fuggles 12grams of aurora then 15grams of willamet last 15mins and s/golding and fuggles 12grams for last 5mins.gervin english ale yeast.I will let you know how it proceeds

[slurp the apprentice]

correction to stated recipe i add the s/golding with the willamet and use east kent goldings with fuggles for the last 5 mins.Phew i never used so many hops in a brew .

[mysterio]

Good luck... I haven't had a chance to brew this one yet but I think a couple of people on here have. Haven't had any feedback on the recipe yet though.

I'm going to try golden promise for the first time next week i think.

[slurp the apprentice]

I managed to get 4 gallons at 4% from my 5 kilo of golden promise which i think gives me a brewing effiency of 80% ? I know deuchars is 3.8% but i could always add more water later if this changes the flavour by much.I never know whether i should increase a recipes ingredients by 20% if i know i will probably get 80% brewing efficiency ?

[mysterio]

Nah, most recipes assume around a 70-80% efficiency. If it doesn't say, you should put the recipe into a calculator. 4% is close enough - this would be closer to the slightly stronger bottled version of Deuchars.

[flytact]

Slurp,
any other malts in the recipe?
How did it taste out of the fermenter?

[SteveD]

Slurp,
any other malts in the recipe?
How did it taste out of the fermenter?

Doubt it. It's pretty pale. Bit of wheat maybe, if anything at all.

I think some people attach too much importance to the variety of Pale used. I read somewhere that a brewer wasn't going to attempt Deuchars or Landlord because he couldn't get Golden Promise. I bet he wasn't going to not attempt it because he couldn't get the right yeast, or the right fermentation temperature though. Those factors would make a much bigger difference than wether it was this pale or that pale.

Both those beers are overtly hoppy anyway, so I doubt wether an untrained palate would notice the difference in the malts underneath all that hop. I doubt I could.

[mysterio]

There's definatly GP characheter in Deuchars... but as Steve says, you could get away with most base malts.

[flytact]

I was finally able to get some GP and have made a TTL and am looking at a Deuchar's to do on Sunday. The recipe that I have and can't remember where I got, calls for some other malts and only SG and Fuggles. Looking for any comments on how Slurp's recipe manged.

As for acquiring the GP malt, most places here will ship for free with a minimum purchase. On a big 20 kilo buy I was able to get it cheaper than at my local HBS (who has never heard of it).

[SteveD]

I was able to get it cheaper than at my local HBS (who has never heard of it).

Oh, he's good then!

"You want to make good beer sir? Can I interest you in this tin of Tom Caxton?"

[slurp the apprentice]

sorry about that i must ave dozed off for a week .I am so far impressed with this Deuchar clone recipe although its only 14 days in the
barrel.I definetly keep you updated and i will be tasting a pint this coming friday when it should be clear.Of corse i still have my TTL clone to mature as well thats a week behind the deuchar.Next i would like to brew a moon shine clone [Abbeydale Brewery Sheffield] but as i have not got a recipe i 'm stuck. Can anyone help?

[flytact]

I'll be tackling Slurp's recipe tomorrow morning, not sure if I can get the Aurora/Super Styrian, I'll find that out this afternoon.
This will be my last brew for a while as I will have finally filled my four cornies and will be moving into our new house the following week!

[slurp the apprentice]

Yep i am pleased with both the deuchars and TTL clones .It would be good to try them next to the real thing but even if their not truely authentic they are a pleasure to drink.

[SteveD]

I managed to get 4 gallons at 4% from my 5 kilo of golden promise which i think gives me a brewing effiency of 80% ? I know deuchars is 3.8% but i could always add more water later if this changes the flavour by much.I never know whether i should increase a recipes ingredients by 20% if i know i will probably get 80% brewing efficiency ?

Er....no. Something's gone wrong there, I'm afraid. You got 48.4% efficiency. I'm assuming your OG was 1040 to get 4% abv. Also assuming extract of 300 per kg/litre for Golden Promise. Did you stop sparging when you got 4 gals, then topped up with water after the boil? How did you sparge?, and if the GP was pre-crushed, how long did you have it and how was it stored?

If I mashed 5KG of pale to a final post boil volume of 4 gals I'd get a theoretical average of OG1074, probably a bit less as efficiency reduces at higher gravities, but almost certainly high 1060's

Efficiency calc is (OG 40 x Vol 18.16) / (extract 300 x wgt 5)

Looking at it another way, if you achieved 80% efficiency, you'd have only needed 3kgs of malt.

[slurp the apprentice]

I always seem to get 4gallons of beer from the ingredients for 5gallons thats why i thought i was getting 80% efficiency .The Golden promise came in a 25kg sack from Hop and grape.I sparge simply by remashing ,i dont try to get 5gallons as i worry i might end up with a lower alcohol level and top up to the right OG at end of boil.If you are right about my mash efficiency i have alot of scope for improvement .I dont think i can blame the ingredients so i guess its the actual mashing and sparging where the problems lie? What do you think?