National Homebrew Day: Proper Knob

[Tony01]

Hey folks!
Well - across the pond the good folks have National Homebrew Day on the first Saturday in May (this year actually being the 1st May). I've read some great stuff about getting out and brewing in unusual places but can't do that this year so on Saturday I'm going to invite my father to come brew with me.
I've been researching and asking questions and trying to arrive at a clone for Proper Job; this is to be my version. If it doesn't quite get there, I don't care, I'll be doing this with the old man!
Pics may follow late on Saturday depending on how drunk we get )

Batch Size: 25.00 L
Estimated OG: 1.063 SG
Estimated Color: 8.2 EBC
Estimated IBU: 54.0 IBU

6.00 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (2.5 EBC)
0.60 kg Munich Malt (17.0 EBC)
0.40 kg Wheat Malt, Bel (3.0 EBC)
35.00 gm Chinook [12.70 %] (60 min)
25.00 gm Williamette [6.70 %] (25 min)
20.00 gm Cascade [7.60 %] (25 min)
25.00 gm Williamette [6.70 %] (2 min)
35.00 gm Cascade [7.60 %] (80 C) (Aroma)
1.50 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 min)
1 Pkgs SafBrew Ale (DCL Yeast #S-33)

Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
68.0 C

Slightly higher temp here to try to get that little sweet edge that PJ has. New Yeast for me too .... Happy New Yeast!

[Deebee]

All i know is the PJH usen only pale malt, although you can add 5% minush in order to recreate the " cornwall gold".

I would also suggest a huge dump of cascades at flame out for a 20-30 minute paddle before cooling..

I picked this up on here somewhere,,,,we need pics and masses of info.
Good luck.

[befuggled]

You probably do not want either the Wheat Malt or Munich Malt.
I do not think that SA use "Cornish Gold" in PJ, though they use it in other beers.
You are probably going to get the "sweet body" at 68C.

My most recent attempt, with about 100gms of Cascade at 80C to try to get the massive aroma was all wrong
Massive hops, but nothing like the right effect. 30/35 gms at 80C is probably about right, as Scooby proposed last July.
Mauri has also put a lot of work into cloning PJ and I thank both of them
I will play with some Liquid Cascade on the next brew.

Otherwise, your recipe is close to the ones I have been messing with for the last 7 months and should produce a good starting point.
If you have not already done so, look up the various threads on recovering SA yeast from a bottle or two.

[Tony01]

Thanks for your help folks. I'll add some more cascade at flame-out as you suggest.

Is the same yeast used in all SAs brews? Which are bottle conditioned?

I'll do a search as you suggest. Many thanks!

[chris_reboot]

its the same yeast for them all (I think - the only one I'm not sure about is the clouded yellow- it may be though)

so recovering yeast from tirbute, PJ, HSD etc are all comparable.

think they are all bottle conditioned (well the ones I've had are)

[bellebouche]

How did this go? I'm guessing that if you bottle conditioned then they'll be just about coming right... at least it's got to be time for first samples!

I'm keen to find out...

Any pics? Would love some snaps of the finished beer.
Head retention if you dropped the non MO grains.
results of late hopping with cascades after flameout.
If you harvest in Sait Austell yeast from commercial examples or went with the saffale dried variety.

[Tony01]

Had a sod of a time with this yeast, behaved very oddly. It spent 3 weeks in the secondary (well actually two in the secondary and another in the tertiary - it wouldn't clear so I tried racking off again and dumping the soup that was at the bottom). I really expected to dump this beer but it smells right and did not taste off (didn't taste like PJ though either). It's now only been in the bottle for one week and I'm hoping that it will clear in the next couple. I really do not like this yeast!

I'll take pics in two weeks even if it hasn't cleared. I kept the grain bill exactly as published but upped the cascade to 50g at 80C

[Tony01]

Hi bellebouche
Update. Checked this last night and noticed that the bottles were dropping clear! So .. I opened one, well, you have to don't you. Only in the bottle a week so far so can't comment on the head retention but this is damned close to a PJ.. maybe a little heavy on the citrus but that could well go in conditioning. I'll take a pic in a week or so.

Damned good pint! Lesson learned: Be patient!