Here's a honeyed ale I have near FG
Buzz Buzz Beer
Date: 7th July 2011
Fermentable Colour lb: oz Grams Ratio
Pale Malt 5 EBC 12 lbs. 2.0 oz 5500 grams 81.8%
Wheat Malt 3.5 EBC 0 lbs. 14.7 oz 420 grams 6.3%
Crystal Malt 130 EBC 0 lbs. 4.2 oz 120 grams 1.8%
Spanish Lavender Honey
After boil at 80C 30 EBC 1 lbs. 7.9 oz 680 grams 10.1%
Hop Variety Type Alpha Time lb: oz grams Ratio
Fuggle Whole 4.9 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 2.5 oz 70 grams 51.1%
Golding Whole 5.7 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 0.5 oz 15 grams 10.9%
Golding Whole 5.7 % 10 mins 0 lbs. 1.1 oz 30 grams 21.9%
Protafloc Pellet 10 mins 2/3 tablet
Dried Elderflower 5 mins 30 grams
Bramling Cross Whole6.3 %Dry hop 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 14.6%
Water treatment of 47L plus half Campden tablet.
Salt 4g
Gypsum 7g
CaCl 15g
Epsom 4g
Chalk 1.5g
Final Volume: 34.5 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.052
Final Gravity: 1.009
Alcohol Content: 5.5% ABV
Total Liquor: 46.7 Litres
Mash Liquor: 15.1 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 85 %
Bitterness: 34.5652493219859 EBU
Colour: 17 EBC
Mash : Liquor 74C, mash temp 69C - yikes, added cold quickly to 66.6C.
Temp post mash 65.3C, lost 1.2C
Preboil 1035 @ 37C = 1040
Post boil 1047 @ 37C = 1052
Wyeast 1028
Cooled settled 1/2L out from 1L starter (12 hrs) - 3 week old slurry 2nd generation.
Pitched at 27C carried on cooling as aerate
Day 1 16C
Day 2 -5 17C/16c
Day 6 on 20C
Will prime with 250g of pasteurised honey to 2.3 vol co2
There's a beautiful aroma off this one. V promising
Buzz Buzz Beer
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greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
Ok its not a great picture. This is a golden ale with a golden aroma!
I recognise the taste of this Bramling Cross hop! The elderflower is not really noticeable so definitely not overpowered. If I say so myself this one could easily be served in a pub. Its as good as any ale I have had over the counter.
I'd say the honey is probably shadowed by the dry hops.It is not swwet ironically and has a dry edge
Only error is I over primed so too bubbly even chilled to 12C. I will servve this at room temp so the gases vacate quicker.
Its very clear after only 10 days!. I would highly recommend hose connector braided stainless steel filters.
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DaveyT
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Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
Very interesting. I'm currently conditioning a beer in which I put honey after it had fermented for 24 hours. The FV smelt very strongly of honey, but not sweet as you say. I think I over primed too as two bottles have exploded and I've had to get it all refrigerated before I lose any more. I primed with sugar which I might regret later.
Looks good though; nice one!
David
Looks good though; nice one!
David
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greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
After a few weeks this has setled down and gone more mellow. To be honest I preferred it when it was young. It had a real vibrancy and zing. I would highly recommend this recipe.
I was down in Cornwall last two weeks and was very inpressed with the ales down there. The commercial breweries seem to do a good job St Austell ( Proper Job was getting hoppier but still pretty mainstream really), Skinners (Betty Stogs very good), and there is a healthy backdrop of smaller breweries all getting exposure in the local shops and dare I say Tesco. (Well done Tesco for local supply)
I tried (amongst many
)the Skinners Heligan Honey which without bias 
I didn't think was patch on this honey beer.
One I did enjoy was Butcombe Gold - it has a similar profile to my attempt at Batemans XXXB but with some oats. Doom Bar was on offer thats one of my favorite widely available cask beers.
Looking at the ingredients seems most of the smaller breweries are using some wheat malt in their grists.
Worth noting is Sharps association with Rick Stein to make Chalky's Bark And Bite. These were very poor. Thoroughly worth missing. And completely overpriced £3.40 per 330ml from memory. Luckily I only bought one bottle of each to taste.
I was down in Cornwall last two weeks and was very inpressed with the ales down there. The commercial breweries seem to do a good job St Austell ( Proper Job was getting hoppier but still pretty mainstream really), Skinners (Betty Stogs very good), and there is a healthy backdrop of smaller breweries all getting exposure in the local shops and dare I say Tesco. (Well done Tesco for local supply)
I tried (amongst many
)the Skinners Heligan Honey which without bias I didn't think was patch on this honey beer.One I did enjoy was Butcombe Gold - it has a similar profile to my attempt at Batemans XXXB but with some oats. Doom Bar was on offer thats one of my favorite widely available cask beers.
Looking at the ingredients seems most of the smaller breweries are using some wheat malt in their grists.
Worth noting is Sharps association with Rick Stein to make Chalky's Bark And Bite. These were very poor. Thoroughly worth missing. And completely overpriced £3.40 per 330ml from memory. Luckily I only bought one bottle of each to taste.
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DaveyT
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Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
I used to drink a lot of Skinners when I was in London; amazing beer. They do a bitter which is out of this world. I'm surprised their honey beer didn't win your vote.
I've never liked Doom Bar, though, to be honest. Something just doesn't sit right for me, not sure why.
Thanks for the advice about drinking yours young; I'll bear it in mind. Mine's 6 weeks old now and it's really tasty. I perhaps wouldn't use Saaz again with honey, though. I thought it would take the edge off the hop, but I now know it's an edge I quite like.
Cheers
David
I've never liked Doom Bar, though, to be honest. Something just doesn't sit right for me, not sure why.
Thanks for the advice about drinking yours young; I'll bear it in mind. Mine's 6 weeks old now and it's really tasty. I perhaps wouldn't use Saaz again with honey, though. I thought it would take the edge off the hop, but I now know it's an edge I quite like.
Cheers
David
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greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
Going to do a repeat ( hopefully ) of this brew at 2.5 times quantity. It was so delicious I miss it! Just will ease back the carbonation slightly.
Plus I think we'll tone down the abv slightly and make a low alc version. 5% is strong enough before priming me thinks! So proportions pretty much the same just quantities down
Buzz Buzz Beer low alc version
Date:
Gyle Number:
Fermentable Colour lb: oz Grams Ratio
Pale Malt 5 EBC 27 lbs. 7.1 oz 12400 grams
Wheat Malt 3.5 EBC 2 lbs. 1.5 oz 900 grams
Crystal Malt 130 EBC 0 lbs. 9.5 oz 300 grams
Honey 30 EBC 3 lbs. 11.9 oz 1800 grams
Hop Variety Type Alpha Time lb: oz grams Ratio
Fuggle Whole 4.9 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 6.1 oz 175 grams 51.5%
Golding Whole 5.7 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 1.3 oz 38 grams 11.2%
Golding Whole 5.7 % 10 mins 0 lbs. 2.6 oz 75 grams 22.1%
Protafloc Pellet 0 % 15 mins 0 lbs. 0.1 oz 2 and a half tabs
Bramling Cross (dry hop) Whole 6.3 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 1.8 oz 60 grams 14.7%
Elderflower 5 mins 70g
Final Volume: 90 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.049
Final Gravity: 1.008
Alcohol Content: 5.1% ABV
Total Liquor: 112.3 Litres
Mash Liquor: 40 Litres
Top up: 30 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 90 % ( skewed because of effective 100% conversion on honey)
Bitterness: 36 EBU
Colour: 16 EBC
Plus I think we'll tone down the abv slightly and make a low alc version. 5% is strong enough before priming me thinks! So proportions pretty much the same just quantities down
Buzz Buzz Beer low alc version
Date:
Gyle Number:
Fermentable Colour lb: oz Grams Ratio
Pale Malt 5 EBC 27 lbs. 7.1 oz 12400 grams
Wheat Malt 3.5 EBC 2 lbs. 1.5 oz 900 grams
Crystal Malt 130 EBC 0 lbs. 9.5 oz 300 grams
Honey 30 EBC 3 lbs. 11.9 oz 1800 grams
Hop Variety Type Alpha Time lb: oz grams Ratio
Fuggle Whole 4.9 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 6.1 oz 175 grams 51.5%
Golding Whole 5.7 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 1.3 oz 38 grams 11.2%
Golding Whole 5.7 % 10 mins 0 lbs. 2.6 oz 75 grams 22.1%
Protafloc Pellet 0 % 15 mins 0 lbs. 0.1 oz 2 and a half tabs
Bramling Cross (dry hop) Whole 6.3 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 1.8 oz 60 grams 14.7%
Elderflower 5 mins 70g
Final Volume: 90 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.049
Final Gravity: 1.008
Alcohol Content: 5.1% ABV
Total Liquor: 112.3 Litres
Mash Liquor: 40 Litres
Top up: 30 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 90 % ( skewed because of effective 100% conversion on honey)
Bitterness: 36 EBU
Colour: 16 EBC
Last edited by greenxpaddy on Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:56 am, edited 3 times in total.
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greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
Just cooling the wort now, no mishaps ( at this stage) . 90L of beer coming my way....
That third element is a god send for speeding things up.
That third element is a god send for speeding things up.
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greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
This was the first test of the 120L boiling capacity. The boiler worked very well with the two elements on rolling boil. The mash tun again was fine, the sparge collander box was fine.
Problems:
1. The immersion chiller I had been using for the buffalo was too short, so I stretched out the coils so it was 2/3rds immersed. It was still not long enough. The thermometer well was not right at the bottom and said it was 22C. There was hot spot at the base where the tap is situated which would have scorched my yeast had I not been careful. Going to need to extend the coil lower.
2. Honey: When I added the honey at 80C, I had not watered it down, and consequently it fell to the bottom of the boiler. This played havoc with an OG reading as the bottom was much more dense than the top of the boiler. I had an accurate end volume so can work out from the preboil gravity where we were and then add for the honey addition. Calculators out.
Next time it would make sense to water the honey down a bit to aid the homogenisation.
3. Filled my 60L barrel. Forgot i was going to have to lift it onto the bench! Don't think I need to go to the gym for a while! Nearly killed myself lifting that! Starting to think 'pumps' again!
In the end my Wyeast 1028 was not ready so I used the hopback yeast from last week. 400ml of settled yeast rinse for 88L
Brew figures
Bit of fannying around with the MT warm up lost more heat than thought ended up adding 6L more for mash,
Mash 67.7C a little high, lost 1C over 90 mins.
top up was 30L at 87C hitting 72C before sparge.
preboil gravity = 1035 at 34C = 1043. preboil vol 97.5L
Post boil vol 90.5L = OG of 1043 before honey.
Honey sugars equiv to 1355 grams granulated sugar - adds 5.6 gravity points to 90L
Total OG = 1049
Either honey very sugary above normal or the efficiency was through the roof...probably the former, it was very cystalline in structure
Problems:
1. The immersion chiller I had been using for the buffalo was too short, so I stretched out the coils so it was 2/3rds immersed. It was still not long enough. The thermometer well was not right at the bottom and said it was 22C. There was hot spot at the base where the tap is situated which would have scorched my yeast had I not been careful. Going to need to extend the coil lower.
2. Honey: When I added the honey at 80C, I had not watered it down, and consequently it fell to the bottom of the boiler. This played havoc with an OG reading as the bottom was much more dense than the top of the boiler. I had an accurate end volume so can work out from the preboil gravity where we were and then add for the honey addition. Calculators out.
Next time it would make sense to water the honey down a bit to aid the homogenisation.
3. Filled my 60L barrel. Forgot i was going to have to lift it onto the bench! Don't think I need to go to the gym for a while! Nearly killed myself lifting that! Starting to think 'pumps' again!
In the end my Wyeast 1028 was not ready so I used the hopback yeast from last week. 400ml of settled yeast rinse for 88L
Brew figures
Bit of fannying around with the MT warm up lost more heat than thought ended up adding 6L more for mash,
Mash 67.7C a little high, lost 1C over 90 mins.
top up was 30L at 87C hitting 72C before sparge.
preboil gravity = 1035 at 34C = 1043. preboil vol 97.5L
Post boil vol 90.5L = OG of 1043 before honey.
Honey sugars equiv to 1355 grams granulated sugar - adds 5.6 gravity points to 90L
Total OG = 1049
Either honey very sugary above normal or the efficiency was through the roof...probably the former, it was very cystalline in structure
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greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
It was a pretty close rebrew. Not exact. The hopback yeast has produced a slightly different beer. I also think the quality of the honey is telling. I used Spanish Lavender Honey in the first but not this one ( its right expensive!) and you certainly got more floral notes off it.
Its still pretty young and needs to drop a bit clearer in the bottle. I was drinking it at a party yesterday and had resolved that it was dry and failry bitter. When a chap who was drinking budweiser tried it he thought it was sweet. Either he or I don't know what we are talking about
or the effect of drinking a markedly different taste before trying anything skews the taste buds
Its still pretty young and needs to drop a bit clearer in the bottle. I was drinking it at a party yesterday and had resolved that it was dry and failry bitter. When a chap who was drinking budweiser tried it he thought it was sweet. Either he or I don't know what we are talking about
or the effect of drinking a markedly different taste before trying anything skews the taste buds-
greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
For anyone considering this recipe I would not use the Hop Back yeast. For some reason it did not flocculate so well. I'd stick with wy1028
EDIT. Ignore this post, it just took a while!
EDIT. Ignore this post, it just took a while!
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greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
Really come good now (8 weeks conditioning). Plus quite amazed at the taste difference at 7c versus 12c. Much better at 12!
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greenxpaddy
Re: Buzz Buzz Beer
Looks like my taste buds didn't match the judges at the World beer event. Chalkys Bite won Best Flavored Pale Ale. Not sure how big that category isgreenxpaddy wrote:
Worth noting is Sharps association with Rick Stein to make Chalky's Bark And Bite. These were very poor. Thoroughly worth missing. And completely overpriced £3.40 per 330ml from memory. Luckily I only bought one bottle of each to taste.
But the chalk board at Stein's outlets had managed to shorten this to 'Worlds best pale ale 2011'......an altogether different league me thinks. Well. I still don't rate fennel as a beer flavouring.