Tim Taylor Visits California

[monk]

Hi guys,

I've been hearing so much about Landlord Pale ale that I've decided to brew some, even though I've never had it before. So...I need a little help putting the recipe together. From the threads I've read, I have a few basic recipes to work off of, and here's what I'm thinking:

for 19L

Golden Promise for an OG 1.045
mix of Fuggles and Goldings for bittering 35 IBUs
lots of Styrian Goldings at flame out for big aroma
Windsor Yeast

Questions:
Is this OG right?
Is TT really this light in color? or is there a little bit of Crystal?
How much body has this beer? Is it more sweet or dry?
Should there be some flavor hops? or just bittering and aroma?
Is this the best dry yeast I can use? I prefer to use dry, but I could switch to Nottingham or S-04/05 if those are better.

Thanks in advance for advice. Cheers
monk

[mysterio]

I dont think the brewery uses crystal but this stuff you buy definately has the look of about 5% crystal 125 EBC. I the Safale SO4 yeast is a good choice to leave behind a touch of sweetness to balance the bitterness. I also find this yeast leaves behind just a sliiiight tiny bit of a buttery flavour which I really like. I mash this around 68C.

I would really hammer it with Styrian goldings at 15 minutes and at the end of the boil if you can cool it down fairly quickly. I go for 90 grams at 15 minutes and 150 grams (loose whole hops) in a 10 gallon batch and I think this matches the flavour/aroma profile well. I don't think it's possible to overdo this hop.

[Calum]

I'm with Mysterio on this one. I definately doubt it is a pure pale malt beer as there is a slight amber hue about it (in my opinion).

[Andy]

I'd go with Mysterio's advice on heavy use of Styrian Goldings late in the boil, really makes a great beer.

[monk]

Thanks so much for the tips, guys. Taking a bit from each of you, here's the revised recipe, for 19L:

3855g Golden Promise
225g Crystal
15g Fuggles - 90min
15g Goldings - 90min
30g Goldings - 15min
60g Styrians - flameout

mash around 67c. OG - 1.046
IBUs - 33

Safale s-04 yeast ferment ~18c

I'm getting excited about this one. I'll have to share my thoughts on the results with as much description as possible, so you can tell me if it's close! Thanks guys...

monk

And if anyone's got any other tips, the ingredients won't come in the mail for another week, so there's plenty of time to advise me.

[mysterio]

Sounds good although I think I would bring the OG down closer to 1.042

[bitter_dave]

Hi Monk, it looks like a great beer, but if you want it to be like landlord I would cut back on the Crystal personally - 5.5% of the grist is quite a lot for the beer. I made a Landlord style beer with just pale malt, and at 1045 the colour looked pretty close to me (although the gravity was higher than landlord) - landlord is a pretty pale beer in the pub. I agree about lots of styrians after the boil.

Just my 2p worth

[iowalad]

Danielski has a version on his blog for the Nunhead brewery. I think he added a bit of caramel malt stating that the brewery caramelizes their wort.

I think his version was called Landlady Bitter if I recall. I would look it up but I have to run!

Good luck

[monk]

Hi Monk, it looks like a great beer, but if you want it to be like landlord I would cut back on the Crystal personally - 5.5% of the grist is quite a lot for the beer. I made a Landlord style beer with just pale malt, and at 1045 the colour looked pretty close to me (although the gravity was higher than landlord) - landlord is a pretty pale beer in the pub. I agree about lots of styrians after the boil.

Just my 2p worth

Ah, point taken. Perhaps I'll drop the Crystal to 2.5% and leave out a pinch of GP to get the gravity down to 1.042 or so. Thanks for the tips, guys. So, if I'm guestimating right, this is a light colored, fairly low gravity, medium bodied ale that has a little sweetness, a decent bitterness and a big hop aroma...

Sound right?

Thanks again.

Monk

[Bigster]

Good luck Monk

The one I brewed was , although very drinkable, a little light in colour and too sweet. I intend to brew it again mashing at 65/66c and use nottingham yeast and not windsor.
Good luck how ever you brew it

[monk]

I've made this a few times now I don't think there is any need for crystal, the colour may well come from caramelization in the kettle and as Bigster says, like most golden ales (imo) it benefits from using a yeast with a high attenuation. I use Nottingham, it works well with this one.


edit:you could try bringing the first runnings to a vigorous boil to get the caramelization before adding the rest of the wort.

Interesting ideas. So, do you think Nottingham is preferable to S-04? Like I said, having never tasted the beer, I can't guage it myself. To my palate, s-04 gives a fruitier finish, while Nottingham is definitely dry. I could definitely understand wanting the brew to be dry so as to bring out the contribution of those flavor and aroma hops.

As for carmelizing the wort...I've been wanting to do this again. When I first started brewing, I was housesitting for my grandmother and was boiling my wort on an electric hotplate coil with a 3/4 gallon pot (batch volume was 2.5 gallons). I didn't know about late extract additions, so the wort was very thick and a couple batches were very carmelized. I was a little bummed at the time, but since then I've had several friends mention that they'd like another pint of Grammy's Copper Ale...

[mysterio]

Monk, if you can't get hold of a bottle it might be worth having a look at ratebeer to see how other people have been describing it - there is an entry for the bottle and cask version.

http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer/timothy-ta ... ask)/44523

[bitter_dave]

You might find this article on TTL interesting as well

http://www.beerhunter.com/documents/19133-000066.html

[steve_flack]

Wyeast did the Tim Taylors Yeast as a special.

[flytact]

You might find this article on TTL interesting as well

http://www.beerhunter.com/documents/19133-000066.html

Two things:
- I made the version with all GP and it had a great color and flavor. Much better than versions with crystal. My 2 cents
- Michael Jackson is a league fan? May have to start rethinking his reviews...