Porter vs Mild vs Heavy definitions and such things.

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SouthernDwarf

Porter vs Mild vs Heavy definitions and such things.

Post by SouthernDwarf » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:54 pm

Greets, and first may i apologise for posting this in the wrong forum just incase i have. couldnt think where to put it :)

Im having a slight identity crisis with a brew ive created. ive classified it as a porter, but its caused a few issues with people who've sampled it.
ranging from descriptions from mild to dark mild, heavy mild stout or porter. with some rather strong opinions expressed!

general stats are :- 4-4.3% abv, est 28 IBUs bitterness, estimated 72 EBC . FG = in region of 1011.

i just want to gather any opinions you all may have on what a porter should be by definition.
dark malts vs roasted barley etc ingredients, bitterness value, colour value?
bit of a random question but im not sure how else to put it :)

many thanks in advance
SD

Spud395

Re: Porter vs Mild vs Heavy definitions and such things.

Post by Spud395 » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:23 pm

For me milds and Porters are quiet close and porter and stout as as well so for people to get upset over it is a bit much!
To me Stout has roast barley, or at least lots of roastyness.
Porter's are mellower on the roast front and maybe the bitterness as well.
Your brew looks like Porter from what you've said, but you never said what malts you used.
That said it's your beer and if they dont like what you call it dont give them any more

SouthernDwarf

Re: Porter vs Mild vs Heavy definitions and such things.

Post by SouthernDwarf » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:46 pm

thanks for the reply :)
yes the people in question are members of a certain organisation, yes that one.
the one chap who spoke the most is a friend of a friend, so no problem telling him to get knotted ;) it was just put to me with such gusto i was wondering what id done wrong,
malts wise ive not used any roasted anything. chocolate malt being as dark as i wanted to go.
i did read that patent malt was/is used in stouty type things but not so much in porters, however im not a fan of super burnt flavours so avoided it.
could it be that since ive not included any roast barley, that he expected a slight roasty hint?
the bitterness ive kept moderate as again i tried to stay away from the stout end of burned and really bitter things.

boingy

Re: Porter vs Mild vs Heavy definitions and such things.

Post by boingy » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:26 pm

Your beer is whatever you say it is. There are not really any firm definitions.

The BJCP has a good go here: http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/catdex.php
but you'll find plenty of people who will disagree with them (not me - I like 'em!)

I'd probably call your beer a porter unless it tastes quite sweet, in which case I'd go for dark mild.

And I'm with spud. Anyone who accepts your free beer then argues with you about what you choose to call it should find himself thirsty.

coatesg

Re: Porter vs Mild vs Heavy definitions and such things.

Post by coatesg » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:47 pm

Historically, "stout" was "stout porter" (stout meant "strong" - so really just a stronger version of porter), and "mild" simply meant "not aged". Porter *didn't* arise out of the blending of three beers...

The "usual" differences often quoted are that dry stouts tend to be more bitter than porters and use roast barley, where as porter is less bitter (sometimes slightly more residual sugars) and doesn't use roast barley (often uses brown malt)... milds tend to be much less hoppy than either, and often (though not always) of lower gravity and slightly lighter in colour....... (NB: Patent malt is most definitely used in porters - in the 1800s when it was invented, brewers started using pale and black patent to replace old style blown (brown) malt as it was much more efficient and still gave roast flavours and the right colour.)

Of course, none of these definitions are strictly true - there is significant cross over between mild, brown ales, porters and stouts. The true definition of what style a beer is is entirely down to what the brewer calls it. (Hook Norton Double Stout is a good example - 5% Brown, 5% Black malt, so most would think from the grist that it was a porter - doesn't say porter on the label though :)...)

If this is the same organisation I suspect you're talking about, they also land up classifying a saison as a best bitter... and then people wonder why it's cloudy and tastes funny...!!

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