late hopped IPA:- Critique please

[Deebee]

Over the coming brews i plan a couple of IPS.

One will be one of the many Jaipur clones that are available on the forums and the other is something i want to be a hop bomb.

I have looked at the info regarding late hopping and bitternes and have come up with the following. I would love to hear peoples thoughts regarding this and especially the hops used if possible.


20 litre brewlength

4400 gm Pale Malt, Maris Otter
180 gm Cara-Pils/Dextrine
180 gm Wheat, Torrified
45 gm Cascade [6,60 %] (15 min) 14,5 IBU
45 gm Centennial [10,00 %] (15 min) 22,0 IBU
45 gm Amarillo Gold [8,50 %] (5 min) 7,5 IBU
30,00 gm Amarillo Gold [8,50 %] (20 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops
1 Pkgs Safale American (DCL Yeast #US-05) Yeast-Ale

This will give me something arounf 5.8% and 44 IBU

I have never used amarillo before but have a packet that needs using.

Does anyone have any comments?

first thought is S-05 due to the hops.

[Spud395]

Amarillo is a fantastic hop, I dont think you'll be dissapointed.

I cant pick any flaws in that, the hops will hold on to a bit of the wort.

Yeast also looks good, but I'm not a fan of 05 when bottling, it's flakey in the bottom of the bottle.

[Deebee]

What would the alternative for a yeat be. notty for dry?

what about liquid?

[Spud395]

I use notty myself for this type of beer.

I believe wlp001 (chico strain) is the liquid version of Us05.

I think lots of people like 05, I just find it dosnt pack well when bottling

[bellebouche]

Hopping strategy is an interesting one and something I've been experimenting with recently.

A couple of things have been informing my thinking.

I came across this chart years ago...



It's simplistic in the extreme but the notion it portrays.. makes a lot of sense. Your results (certainly mine!) are impacted by wort OG, the vigour of my boil, the makeup of the hop acid components etc. etc.

So, what would I suggest you change? NOTHING. Brew it but pay attention to the timings.

Your recipe and hopping isn't a million miles from this recipe for 'evil twin' I'm not sure what kind of cooling rig you're using but I think there are significant advantages in following something similar to this. No proof yet... but I'm close I'll be bottling my first rapid chill whirlpooled beer in a few days and will return to a similar hoppy IPA in a few weeks time.

You've not reserved any hops for dry hopping in secondary? That always pays huge dividends for flavour/aroma. Again.. try it out next time with a similar recipe.

This article on Russian Rivers Pliny the Elder is a great walk through of a dry hopping technique.

[far9410]

ami being dumb, you have no bittering hops , or is that the intention?

[crafty john]

ami being dumb, you have no bittering hops , or is that the intention?

You are not being dumb, there isn't a 90 minute hop addition, so that would equal little or no bitterness.

[far9410]

Ok, very interested now

[Barley Water]

Well, you are sort of at the high end of an American Pale ale and the low end of an AIPA which is ok. I think I would try to jack the bitterness up to 50 IBU but that's just me. Also, I would consider dry hopping if you really want the whole effect. I think you will like Amarillo, it is sort of like using Cascades on steriods. Just a couple of things to think about; first of all, if your water is hard it is going to accentuate the bitterness and can perhaps cause some harshness if you are not careful (mine is medium hard which is why I like to use low cohumolone hops, Amarillo being one). Secondly, you want massive hop armoma and the faster you can get your wort cooled, the better. Many hop aromas are volatile which means that they escape when steeping in hot wort (that's why some folks use hopbacks). Anyhow, give it a try and good luck.

[Deebee]

ami being dumb, you have no bittering hops , or is that the intention?

You are not being dumb, there isn't a 90 minute hop addition, so that would equal little or no bitterness.

All of the IBU come from the late additions. The beer is aimed at being a hop bomb:)

[Rowang]

I did one literally, just like this the other week. I added in some bittering additions, just cos i wanted that background bitterness.. The majority of the bitterness still came from the 10 minute additions.

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Its conditioning now... had a sneaky pint last night. Still a little green, but its very similar to odells 5 barrel pale - Very biscuity in the malt, and lots of fresh flowery hop flavour.

Mine is lacking a bit of full on hop madness, so is more like an american PA, than an IPA... yours has more hops, Id go for it if I were you!

[Deebee]

Oh i intend to. never brewed on that hoppy before.

Some experimentation shows me that i am looking at losing about 10 ml wort pr gram hops so i need to have an extra 2.8 litres ( the recipe got uped to 30 litre when a mate saw the beer recipe!!)

just need to check my hop stocks. the amarillo is still sealed but i can see the need for fresh centennial and canscade for this one!

i will most difinately post pics of this one!

i am guessing a 2 litre starter of wlp001 should eat the sugar here!

[beernsurfing]

Try a 10 minute IPA. Just calculate all your IBU's from a single 10 minute addition. Uses a lot of hops, but very very nice. I started with a few 10 min 6% APA's, worked great, then i bumped it up to 7%, still worked great, today im going up over 8%, though im going FWH and the 10 minute addition. All columbus. Num num num haha

[Deebee]

am wondering if using both cascade and amarillo is a bit much. They åre alike as i understand.
Could i sub the one for say simcoe? If so which.

[critch]

cascade and amerillo work well together

id throw some centennial ,simcoe and chinook in too