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[far9410]

After all this "no 90 min boil" nonsense i decided to give this a try, do you think chinook/simcoe is a good combination or should try some others? Actually I may increase the hop amounts, what do you think?



apa
Date:
Gyle Number:
Fermentable Colour lb: oz Grams Ratio
Caramalt 30 EBC 0 lbs. 5.3 oz 150 grams 2.7%
Pale Malt 5 EBC 11 lbs. 7.4 oz 5200 grams 92%
Wheat Malt 3.5 EBC 0 lbs. 10.5 oz 300 grams 5.3%

Hop Variety Type Alpha Time lb: oz grams Ratio
Chinook Whole 12.5 % 15 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 25%
simcoe Whole 14.2 % 15 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 25%
Chinook Whole 12.5 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 25%
simcoe Whole 14.2 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 25%

Final Volume: 23 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.055
Final Gravity: 1.013
Alcohol Content: 5.5% ABV
Total Liquor: 34 Litres
Mash Liquor: 14.1 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 75 %
Bitterness: 25.4209309908837 EBU
Colour: 10 EBC

[Capn Ahab]

Stick at least a few IBU's in at 60 mins for the sake of stability. Don't forget hops help with storage and the beer will keep better. 'Backwards hopping' is a great US innovation for making mad beers, but I believe all the big US breweries that do it will always consider how the beer will last.

You can use a low alpha hop at 60 and have minimal bitterness (and possibly flavour, depending...) for all the benefit of hops superior keeping qualities.

[far9410]

Yes I hear what you're saying, but I've noted a few on here that have gone down this route , I can increase the hop additions as they are . I was wanting to hear if the hop combo would be ok ( I have some Columbus I could add)

[Capn Ahab]

I don't see any reason why those hops won't work together.

The point is that in order to ensure your beer is stable/keeps well, you need some hops early in the boil. AFAIK all late hopping is a common homebrewer mistake, that you won't find in any commercials. Upping the hops at 15 mins won't have the same effect. Hops were originally introduced for their anti-bacterial (although obviously medieval brewers didn't know it that way) properties as well as their bittering power. Drop 6-7 IBU in at 60 then carry on as you were I reckon.

[smdjoachim]

You don't need any hops in early,you just need more later.Also your IBU are low for a APA.
You need to get to the 40/50 range for a 5/6% beer.
I assume you have a total of 200 grams of hops to play with.
Up the hopping level with Chinook at 15 mins to get this IBU level.
Save 50 grams of Simcoe to dry hop,the rest of your hops go in at flame out,

[Capn Ahab]

You don't need any hops in early,you just need more later.

Er, hops are not just used in beer for flavour or bitterness. Did you read what I said above? I'm willing to accept that I may not have it 100% right, but just telling someone to ignore that advice with no back up is a bit odd. Out of interest do you know of any commercial beers made with all late hops? Here's a link to an article about late hop flavour and aroma http://www.mrmalty.com/late_hopping.php These guys wrote the book on monster-hoppy American pales and they all seem to be saying, drop a few IBU's in at the start, so personally I'd go with their advice... Just sayin.

Also your IBU are low for a APA.

I agree with this. Get it good and bitter. At that strength and given the fact that you haven't used much caramel malt I'd aim for about 40 IBU. You also haven't said anything about yeast, so presumably you're going for US05/WLP001 as they will leave it clean and accentuate the hops.

[smdjoachim]

Out of interest do you know of any commercial beers made with all late hops? .

Here's one to get you started.
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/quarry-hem ... er/130000/

Er, hops are not just used in beer for flavour or bitterness. Did you read what I said above? I'm willing to accept that I may not have it 100% right, but just telling someone to ignore that advice with no back up is a bit odd.

Hop burst ale need to be drunk young ,so the stability and keeping of the beer isn't as important.
I and many others hop burst beer without any issues.
Anecdotal evidence is good enough for me to offer my opinion on this subject

[smdjoachim]

Another one.Google is your friend

http://bairdbeer.com/en/blog_numazu/archives/404

[Capn Ahab]

Hop burst ale need to be drunk young ,so the stability and keeping of the beer isn't as important.
I and many others hop burst beer without any issues.
Anecdotal evidence is good enough for me to offer my opinion on this subject

I can see how in a homebrew setting where you can guarantee that you will nail the beer within a month keeping qualities will be of low importance. Interesting that both those linked beers are hopped at 30 mins though (not 15 mins and later only).

I still think the benefits of a small early kettle addition outweigh any slight boost in flavour/aroma from all late hops, plus I think it better to layer the hop flavour throughout the boil

Anyway, horses for courses, feet for street. Good luck with the brew!

[far9410]

Hi , I'm aware of the preserving qualities of hops, all my brews to date have included a 90 min boil. After reading numerous posts on here on late hop only , I wanted to give it a try. I will post a revised recipe early next week with a bigger shot of hops, including some Columbus. What I really wanted to know was which hops were most suitable foe which part( 15 min, flame out and dry hopping) cheers

[smdjoachim]

I would do the Chinook at 15 to get the right IBU,then mix up the Columbus and Simcoe.Half in at flame out,the other half dry hop.

[far9410]

Cheers , that's the plan then

[far9410]

apa
Date:
Gyle Number:
Fermentable Colour lb: oz Grams Ratio
Caramalt 30 EBC 0 lbs. 5.3 oz 150 grams 2.7%
Pale Malt 5 EBC 11 lbs. 7.4 oz 5200 grams 92%
Wheat Malt 3.5 EBC 0 lbs. 10.5 oz 300 grams 5.3%

Hop Variety Type Alpha Time lb: oz grams Ratio
Chinook Whole 12.5 % 15 mins 0 lbs. 1.8 oz 50 grams 31.3%
simcoe Whole 14.2 % 15 mins 0 lbs. 1.1 oz 30 grams 18.8%
simcoe Whole 14.2 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 12.5%
Columbus (Tomahawk) Whole 15 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 12.5%
Columbus (Tomahawk) Whole 15 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 12.5%
simcoe Whole 14.2 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 12.5%

Final Volume: 23 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.055
Final Gravity: 1.013
Alcohol Content: 5.5% ABV
Total Liquor: 34 Litres
Mash Liquor: 14.1 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 75 %
Bitterness: 79.178581909111 EBU
Colour: 10 EBC


Flame out 20g of columbus and simcoe, same again for dry hop

[Birdman]

looks just right for the summer mate. Simcoe and columbus are a great combo

[far9410]

the last addition of columbus, should be 0 mins not 90, just finishing brewing this, those hops smell awesome