Dark Star Revelation - FACT based takedown!

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Dark Star Revelation - FACT based takedown!

Post by phatboytall » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:50 pm

Wow. Simply Wow.

The most amazing beer i've drunk in years, superb, massively hoppy but without being to bitter or two one dimensional.

I want to try and create a recipe to brew it, these are the "facts" i've been able to get of their website
- 5.7%ABV,
- Chico yeast strain (so US05 will be fine)
- Uses Maris Otter, no mention of other malts...maybe 100% MO? seemed lighter than say a Fullers ESB to me which is 10% crystal.
Looking at this google image pic, reckon this is 100% MO?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewspong/6870769224/

HOPS
"Oh yes – we’re heading for 50 IBU’s with a clean bittering hop added at 3 stages. There will then be 3 aroma additions in the brew"
"There will then be 3 aroma additions in the brew. A blend of Centennial, Liberty, Cascade, and Citra aroma hops by the sack full" – then dry hopped during conditioning using our ‘Hoptimizer’ "
So
- 50 IBU, probably Magnum as the clean bittering hop? added 3 times, so 60mins, 45mins, 30mins?
- 3 aroma hop additions in the boil, maybe 10mins, 5mins, 0mins and then whirlpool?
– Dry Hopped with the aroma hops

Any other thoughts?

I'm off to make a recipe for the above
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Re: Dark Star Revelation - FACT based takedown!

Post by phatboytall » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:09 pm

Right, how about this

23lts 73% efficiency
OG 1057, FG 1012
2 pkts of US05

5.2kg Maris Otter
400g Caramalt

Boil - 48IBU
60mins Magnum 15g
45mins Magnum 15g
30mins Magnum 15g

Aroma
A mix of Centennial, Liberty, Cascade, and Citra
50g 10minutes
50g 5minutes
70g 0 minutes (80c)
Whirlpool for 20mins
70g Dry Hops after 7 days

What do people reckon? Enough hops? Right Malt?
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Post by gnutz2 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:53 pm

That pic of the pint is making me bloody thirsty [-o< and i finish at 6 #-o

That recipe looks nice.

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Post by phatboytall » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:00 pm

So Darkstar have confirmed on twitter its 100% Maris Otter, no crystal or caramalt......

I'm trying to get some hints on what and when the aroma hops are. Fantastic that they are happy to help and provide info to homebrewers.

Ill raise a pint to them. This beer blows the socks off Jaipur in my mind.
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Post by phatboytall » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:07 am

Right more from Darkstar on this via twitter.

"Its two equal bittering additions - 1st wort and start of boil."
"The aroma hops have been changed since the tasting notes (Centennial, Liberty, Cascade, and Citra), but the times are correct (10,5 0 whirlpool)"

So....i reckon that pretty much gets us there. I think aroma hops will be down to what they can source at the time, a challenge for us homebrewers too.

I'll adjust my recipe and then try and get brewing in the next few weeks once the building work is done.
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Post by crookedeyeboy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:27 am

Make sure you post the full brew day/Recipe!!

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Post by oz11 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:48 am

Good work, that man!

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Post by soupdragon » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:36 pm

phatboytall wrote:This beer blows the socks off Jaipur in my mind.
Oh now that fighting talk [-X
I'm going to have to find some of this, if it's even half as good as you say it'll be a great beer :D

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Post by jaberry » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:06 pm

Darkstar is one of my fave breweries and relatively local and even better we have a real ale shop nearby and the wife of the owner works there so their range is always in stock :grin:

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Post by stumpyb » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:34 pm

Im sold, i have everything in stock so will gve this a try tomorrow, will go with 100% MO and follow the hop bill, hopefully turns out as good as it sounds.

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Post by pas8280 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:50 pm

I like the idea of this recipe but I'm getting hung up on the hop schedule. Citra will dominate followed by Cascade and the Liberty will be lost so I got to thinking a ratio of 3:2:1 Liberty,Cascade,Citra what do others think ?
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Post by stumpyb » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:29 pm

Im going with 40g citra, 80g liberty, 60 g each of centennial abd cascade

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Post by floydmeddler » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:29 pm

The late additions get added at around the 90c mark and they dry hop for 3 days if that helps. I know that's what they do with Carafa Jade anyway. ;-)

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Re: Dark Star Revelation - FACT based takedown!

Post by phatboytall » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:50 am

Great dicussion here lads!

My brewery is out of action until the new year with building work going on so its going to be a while til I get to brew this, so anyone who has a go make sure you report back!

The aroma hops are different now, i'm guessing purely on availabilty. given that Cascade is very availble I figure that is still there, i know centenial and citra are both a nightmare to get so maybe they have had to cutback or sub those?
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Post by stumpyb » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:29 pm

I went with this,

23lts 70% efficiency
OG 1052, FG 1012
US05

5.4kg Maris Otter

Boil -
60mins Magnum 15g
45mins Magnum 15g
30mins Magnum 15g

Aroma
A mix of 23lts 73% efficiency
OG 1057, FG 1012
2 pkts of US05

5.2kg Maris Otter
400g Caramalt

Boil - 48IBU
60mins Magnum 15g
45mins Magnum 15g
30mins Magnum 15g

Aroma
A mix of 40g Citra, 80g Liberty, 60 g Centennial, 60g Cascade
50g 10minutes
50g 5minutes
70g 0 minutes (90°c, I ran Immersion cooler for 2 mins)
Whirlpool for 20mins
This is tucked away in the fermenting fridge at 20°C, I plan to dry hop for a couple of days, but not decided how much of the hop mix to use but will probably throw in the remaining 70g.
I will report back on how this ends up.

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