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American IPA

Post by daddies-beer-factory » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:16 pm

Hi fellow brewers,
After a successful last brew ( Indian Pale Ale) , to keep things interesting I am going to do an American Pale Ale .

50 L brewlength,

10 - 11 Kg Pale Malt
500g Crystal
500g Torrified Wheat

Hops
90 mins (33g Chinook, 33g Cascade, 33g Centinnial)

45 mins (33g Chinook, 33g Cascade, 33g Centinnial)

15 mins (33g Chinook, 33g Cascade, 33g Centinnial)

Yeast
Safale American ale yeast

Any comments on the hop additions are welcome, as I am not really using any scientific method yet to my hop additions ( just sort of adding - but i like hopped beer)
and I may add 500g biscuit malt as well

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Re: American IPA

Post by hophit » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:53 pm

I would keep the first hop addition as chinook only for bittering. You wont get the benefit of using aroma hops that early. Then cut the 45 min addition, then do additions at 10, 5 and 0 mins of the aromatics. Im not an expert but have brewed quite a few aipas and the later you use those aromaric new world hops the better imho.

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Re: American IPA

Post by hophit » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:55 pm

Also for an aipa I reckon go for an ibu of between 50-80 for anything over 6% abv. But thats just personal preference I guess.!

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Re: American IPA

Post by Nofolkandchance » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:57 pm

Not sure what your aiming for but thats "Big IBU "mate for a 5% brew !!!, at least 85

Youd be better keeping the 90 mins as is, and replace the 45 and 15 minute additions with 5 & 0 (steep) mins respectivley, to give you around 50 ibu. Better balance more aroma and flavour

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Re: American IPA

Post by 6470zzy » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:15 pm

I think that you should scrap the 45 minute addition and add them at flame-out instead. The end result will be much better flavour/aroma :beer:
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Re: American IPA

Post by daddies-beer-factory » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:43 pm

Nofolkandchance wrote:Not sure what your aiming for but thats "Big IBU "mate for a 5% brew !!!, at least 85

Youd be better keeping the 90 mins as is, and replace the 45 and 15 minute additions with 5 & 0 (steep) mins respectivley, to give you around 50 ibu. Better balance more aroma and flavour
So if i just make the same 2nd & 3rd hop additions - later as you say I get 50 ibu ? thanks as i haven't understood ibu as yet

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Re: American IPA

Post by daddies-beer-factory » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:47 pm

hophit wrote:I would keep the first hop addition as chinook only for bittering. You wont get the benefit of using aroma hops that early. Then cut the 45 min addition, then do additions at 10, 5 and 0 mins of the aromatics. Im not an expert but have brewed quite a few aipas and the later you use those aromaric new world hops the better imho.
ok so chinook is bittering & the other 2 are aroma hops are they ? thanks for the input i am learning more about hops !

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Re: American IPA

Post by Nofolkandchance » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:12 pm

daddies-beer-factory wrote:
hophit wrote:I would keep the first hop addition as chinook only for bittering. You wont get the benefit of using aroma hops that early. Then cut the 45 min addition, then do additions at 10, 5 and 0 mins of the aromatics. Im not an expert but have brewed quite a few aipas and the later you use those aromaric new world hops the better imho.
ok so chinook is bittering & the other 2 are aroma hops are they ? thanks for the input i am learning more about hops !
No ! Not at all.................................................... Whilst its a great bittering hop, Chinook can also be a great "punch in the face" IPA aroma/flavour hop !!!!!!

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Re: American IPA

Post by Nofolkandchance » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:15 pm

Think Gapefruit ! Intense ! Not eveyones cup of tea mind ,but, for me............................. Lurv it !!!!

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Re: American IPA

Post by Clibit » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:00 am

I have used all three hops for bittering and aroma, they all work for both. My cascades are 9%AA,. They work very well at around 30 minutes and later though. The centennial I have are about 13% and work great for bittering, and are great at all stages. Chinook likewise, if you like intense grapefruit.

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Re: American IPA

Post by DeGarre » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:19 am

I often do 15min, 5min and 0min additions and sometimes wonder if there any point. Can someone really taste and smell the difference between 15m and 5min?

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Re: American IPA

Post by hophit » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:04 pm

DeGarre wrote:I often do 15min, 5min and 0min additions and sometimes wonder if there any point. Can someone really taste and smell the difference between 15m and 5min?
Definately. You lose a lot in 15 mins of boiling.

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Re: American IPA

Post by Barley Water » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:56 pm

How hard is you water? If you have alot of sulfates those hops are gonna be accentuated. I brew with medium hard water and I try to stay away from high cohumolone hops so that I can get a smooth rather than a harsh bitterness you can sometime run into. By the way, all three hops you are planning to use are high cohumolone hops. I'll spare you my rant about Chinook however you can use it for flavor and aroma if you like but be warned it is extremely aggressive. As a previous poster mentioned, if you don't care for very heavy grapefruit in your beers you might want to revise you hop selection. Just to thow some other ideas out there for you, I like to bitter beers like this with Warrior then use Simcoe and Amarillo for flavor, aroma and dry hopping (ala Dogfish Head). I have also screwed around some with Mosiac and Citra and I would like to mess with some of the hops from the southern hemisphere but have not gotten around to it as of yet. As you can well imagine, if you judge in contests over here it is very easy to find examples of really hopped up beer but the ones that get good marks from me are not at all harsh. Incidentally, late hopping (so called hop bursting) is all the rage over here and I've gotta tell you I rather enjoy it if it is done right. I like to make beers that really aren't overly bitter but have massive hop flavor and have equally big hop aroma (I do APA's at about 40IBU and AIPA's about 65IBU's or so). :D
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Re: American IPA

Post by daddies-beer-factory » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:03 pm

Barley Water wrote:How hard is you water? If you have alot of sulfates those hops are gonna be accentuated. I brew with medium hard water and I try to stay away from high cohumolone hops so that I can get a smooth rather than a harsh bitterness you can sometime run into. By the way, all three hops you are planning to use are high cohumolone hops. I'll spare you my rant about Chinook however you can use it for flavor and aroma if you like but be warned it is extremely aggressive. As a previous poster mentioned, if you don't care for very heavy grapefruit in your beers you might want to revise you hop selection. Just to thow some other ideas out there for you, I like to bitter beers like this with Warrior then use Simcoe and Amarillo for flavor, aroma and dry hopping (ala Dogfish Head). I have also screwed around some with Mosiac and Citra and I would like to mess with some of the hops from the southern hemisphere but have not gotten around to it as of yet. As you can well imagine, if you judge in contests over here it is very easy to find examples of really hopped up beer but the ones that get good marks from me are not at all harsh. Incidentally, late hopping (so called hop bursting) is all the rage over here and I've gotta tell you I rather enjoy it if it is done right. I like to make beers that really aren't overly bitter but have massive hop flavor and have equally big hop aroma (I do APA's at about 40IBU and AIPA's about 65IBU's or so). :D
Thanks for your post - I might have to rethink chinook as I dont like fruit flavours in my beer (I have stuck to goldings, fuggles & target in the past )

my water is hard , but i "burtonise" it , ie C.R.S. , gypsum, epsom salts etc.

I got the 3 hop choices from a book & now they are all I have to brew this weekend - can you suggest a safer recipe/amount for my 1st APA ?

I could try a hop tea before brewing to get an idea of the flavours ?

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Re: American IPA

Post by Barley Water » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:12 pm

Well the main difference between the traditional British hops and the American stuff is that the British hops are what is generally considered "earthy" while the American stuff is generally more "pine tree/grapefruit" if that makes any sense. I like both but they are different and you can pick out the difference easily. If you want to make an American style ale you generally want less malt contribution and more "over the top" (at least relative to British beers) hop flavor and aroma. For an APA I generally shoot for about 1.050 O.G. and then go for about a 40 IBU beer with alot of late/dry hopping. British beer has quite a bit of "nuance", in other words you can taste the malt contribution, bisquet/ caramel and maybe light toffee while American stuff is generally devoid of all that much in the way of malt flavors. As far as hopping goes, most British stuff has what I guess I would call moderate bittering and maybe just a bit of flavor hopping but not alot of late or dry hopping, at least when compared to the American stuff. Finally, most American ale yeast is very clean in relation to the British stuff so you generally don't see alot of "fruity action" in APA's.

Generally, both the east and west coast of this country have fairly soft water with the harder stuff in the middle (where I live). Those guys in the Pacific Northwest can cram all kinds of hops into their beers without getting harsh because the sulfate levels are very low. If you are using hard water you need to start being careful with the hops. My attitude is that any moron can make really bitter/hoppy beer, it's the artist that can make a bitter/hopped up beer that is enjoyable to drink. As far as Chinook goes, in my mind that stuff is about as subtle as Atilla the Hun. It has a very strong resiony/grapefruit/pine tree aroma and flavor and it covers everything else it touches. If you bitter with it and have any minerals in your water at all it can easily get very harsh. Now, to be fair Stone Brewing as made a fortune with that stuff but it's just not for me (and nobody died and made me King so what the hell do I know).

So, my suggestion would be to use say a 50/50 blend of good British pale ale grain and British lager grain (to try and cut down the malt character). Maybe a bit of medium crystal and a touch of wheat for head retention. Make a 1.050 beer and bitter to about 40IBU's. Load up on the late hops and maybe dry hop with an ounce or so for a 5 gallon batch. Bitter with Magnum or Warrior then use Amarillo, Simcoe, Cascade, Centenial or whatever "C" hops you can lay your hands on. Finally, try using that dry American ale yeast, I've had pretty good results with it and I'm a very serious snob (generally only use the liquid yeasts). You will end up with a pretty hoppy, dry ale which hopefully you like. Once you have made it once, keep good notes then start screwing around with it to your taste (sweeten it up, dry it out whatever floats your boat). Finally, I probably wouldn't bother "burtonizing" the water, most of the famous American pale ales are made with fairly soft water. Anyhow, have fun, good luck and it ain't my fault if you turn into a "hophead". :D
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Abbey Triple (in bottles), Munich Helles, Best Bitter (TT Landlord clone), English IPA
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Fermenting: Munich Dunkel
Next up: Bitter (London Pride like), ESB
So many beers to make, so little time (and cold storage space)

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