Estimating FG & mash temp

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Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Fuggley Duckling » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:18 pm

Hi

I'm hoping someone can enlighten me here.

It's nice that the yeast companies provide attenuation information for their different strains but, how do I calculate the affect mash temp has on the FG. Is there a mathematical equation for this? I'm having no luck with google.

:?:

Cheers

50quidsoundboy

Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by 50quidsoundboy » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:28 pm

BrewMate will do this for you (free software) but I tend to either use a yeast that I'm familiar with (so I know where it will end up), or if using a new yeast, accept that the FG might not be exactly on point. Attenuation will vary based on other factors unique to your brewery anyway (the way you conduct your mash and fermentation) so I don't think you can necessarily expect a piece of software to accurately predict it for you.

Fuggley Duckling

Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Fuggley Duckling » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:08 pm

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I'm on a Mac so I can't use BrewMate. I'm aware there are a number of factors that affect the FG, but it is specifically mash temp that I am interested in in this instance. Say I have a tried and tested recipe that I know ends up at FG 1.010 when I mash at 150F, now if I don't change anything in my brewing process except mash at 154F instead my FG will be higher, but I don't know exactly how much higher. I figured there may be some kind of calculation I could use to accurately work out how much the mash temp is going to affect the FG (I can then take into account other factors).

Cheers.

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Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Fil » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:17 am

there are quite a few brew apps for both pc and mac some free and some with a price tag, they will all work out an estmated FG based on a recipe AND an efficiency estimate.

your mash efficiency will be an estimate until you have mashed a few brews and determined your actual efficiency once you have the procedure with a minimal temp drop over the duration sorted. And the Mash start temperature and temperature loss during the mash are two factors that can influence the mash as well as the mash density and the job you do doughing in. there are 2 enzymes at work during the mash one prefers a higher temp, and the other lower, one will reduce larger sugar chains and the other smaller,I think amalayse Beta will chop the big sugar and alpha the smaller sugars, tho cld be wrong.. , a steady mash temp circa 67C with a 1-2degree C drop over 90 mins (0 wld be best hehe) should promote a good mix of sugars for most beers using modern grain, giving you an efficiency in the mid to hi 70%'s or higher range, when starting out estimating low say 65% should ensure the beers strong enough to ferment out over 3.2%

The other major factor in hitting targets for both volume and gravity is the boil off rate of your kettle, again something best determined by experience.

imho and others may disagree when starting out focus on the gravity as the primary target, volume i think is less important, if you brew a few pints more or less than expected its better than risk brewing something too strong or not strong enough to achieve a shelf life..
using a dipstick durring the boil should give you an indication of how the brew is progressing, if boiling off too much you can add some hlt liquor or turn down the heat.
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Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by 50quidsoundboy » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:21 am

i think he knows all this and just wants a way to predict FG based on mash temp. my own experience is that you can only reliably do this through observation and experimentation on your own system rather than by plugging numbers into an algorithm, but that's just my anecdotal take on it.

Charles1968

Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Charles1968 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:32 am


Fuggley Duckling

Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Fuggley Duckling » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:52 am

Thanks for all the replies.

Charles1968 - Great link, that is exactly the kind of info I was after, cheers.

I've got into the habit of mashing at 150F and I get my desired results, however I want to do some lower alcohol brews (around 3%) so I'm wanting to experiment with higher mash temps and more unfermentables.

Cheers.

Charles1968

Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Charles1968 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:32 am

I'm doing the same thing. Planning to mash at 70 C (158 F) for 90 mins. The extra 30 mins is to fully denature beta amylase as I can't do a mash out with my system. I'd rather get extra body from the mash as raising crystal/caramalt can cause too much sweetness, and oats/wheat add haze, which I like to avoid.

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Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Fuggley Duckling » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:06 am

Charles1968 wrote:I'm doing the same thing. Planning to mash at 70 C (158 F) for 90 mins. The extra 30 mins is to fully denature beta amylase as I can't do a mash out with my system. I'd rather get extra body from the mash as raising crystal/caramalt can cause too much sweetness, and oats/wheat add haze, which I like to avoid.
I'll be using a combination of higher mash temp and speciality malts myself. We have some pretty unique and interesting grains here in NZ so it would be a shame for me not to experiment with some. I'd be interested to see how you go on, feel free to report your results here when you've done a brew. :)

Charles1968

Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Charles1968 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:57 pm

I didn't realise you were in NZ. There are some interesting hops coming from down there. Have you managed to get hold of Riwaka yet?

I'll post a recipe after I've brewed. It will be a Mosaic pale ale probably.

Fuggley Duckling

Re: Estimating FG & mash temp

Post by Fuggley Duckling » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:11 pm

Yes, I've done an IPA and an amber ale containing Riwaka. It's a fantastic hop with a very clean citrus taste/aroma, I'll definitely be brewing with them again.

Cheers

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