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Old Beers & Brewing

Post by EddtheBrew » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:03 am

Hi All ,
I'm a brewer and brewing historian, currently working on a book on old beers & brewing; I've got quite a few recipies , mostly from the north of England , but a few from Burton, Scotland and London if any members are interested, drop me a message and I'd be happy to send some out !!
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Allsopp's , Boddingtons , Cornbrook , Chester Northgate, Greenall's (St Helens) , Magee Marshall , Walker's of Warrington (up to 1924) , Henry Bentley & Co. ( Bentley's Yorkshire Breweries) , Tetley's and quite a few others !!
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Post by Jim » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:38 am

Welcome to JBK Edd. :)

Sounds like a great project you're working on - I'm sure JBK members will be very interested in those recipes!
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Post by orlando » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:42 am

For my 21st I was bought shares in Greenalls so would be interested in a Bitter recipe, any idea of what yeast would work?
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Post by Dave S » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:59 am

orlando wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:42 am
For my 21st I was bought shares in Greenalls so would be interested in a Bitter recipe, any idea of what yeast would work?
I'd be interested in that too. You never see the name here any more, and to be honest they didn't have a very good reputation the last few decades they were brewing. I'm sure earlier times would have been different.
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Post by EddtheBrew » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:59 pm

Hi all ,
the only Greenall' s recipies that I've got are from the Hall St , St Helens brewery which closed down Ca 1972 , which was always recconed to be the better of the two breweries that Greenalls owned (rather than taken over by) mine are from the 1780's & 1862-4 period , only three basic types , Strong Ale , Porter & Bitter Beer , all at least 1- 1.5% abv north of 5% !,
I'm not sure what system you're all using , so I'll pop the recipies into a % of grist , and IBU requirements along with mashing etc recommendations , not sure of how to upload docs to this forum , but I'd be happy to email them out , my address is : eddmather9@gmail.com,
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Post by orlando » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:35 pm

If you're willing to copy and paste into a post or send by PM. Mine is a 3V set up grist % is fine and any info on water treatment would be ideal. 1862-64 sounds realistic. Porter and or Bitter.
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Post by Dennis King » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:18 pm

orlando wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:35 pm
If you're willing to copy and paste into a post or send by PM. Mine is a 3V set up grist % is fine and any info on water treatment would be ideal. 1862-64 sounds realistic. Porter and or Bitter.
It would be good to see some of these recipes.

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Post by f00b4r » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:28 pm

It would be interesting to see the Boddingtons Bitter recipes from the 70's and 80's.

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Post by orlando » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:58 pm

Some interesting information there. For a start it is clear that Chevalier and Constable (not heard of the latter but former is revived and available from the Malt Miller) were barley strains that were poorly modified so the brewer had to finish them in the brewery by mash stepping. If you use a modern malt instead there would be no need. I've never seen hop additions based around gravity before. Mashing for 2.5 hours suggests either they didn't know it converted in less time or a poorly modified malt gives up its goodness a lot more slowly.
Preferring to use French Fuggles was an eye opener too. The asonishingly low pitching temperature is a surprise and I wonder if modern yeasts could cope that low without stalling. You would probably need something close to the original, no idea if there is a modern equivalent. Rousing the wort/beer 24 hours in then every 10 hours may account for it. The yeast must have been fairly torpid at those temperatures and I assume it was either difficult for them to artificially raise the temperature or the yeast threw some strange esters they didn't want if they did. Suspect it free rose to 66F. A diacetyl rest at low temps is another surprise, I always understood you raised temperature to do that. I would boil copper finings for a minimum of 10 minutes, 5 may not be quite enough.

Really interesting stuff, thanks for posting.
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Post by Jim » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:37 pm

I'm moving this thread to the 'Beer Recipes' forum to preserve it from the Guestbook's auto-delete.
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Post by EddtheBrew » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:52 pm

Hi Jim ,
Yup , a free rise to 66°F and you're pretty much Bob on with the yeast hypothesis, it would also help with hop taste and aroma .
I've seen pitching temperatures up to 66-8°F , which is bloody high for a Pale beer historically (Tetley's, around 1844-60), then they would have attemperated as required for the beer & style , another thing is , that as a rule , the higher the temp , the lesser the pitching rate eg 2 1/4 lbs per barrel @ 60°F , to 1 1/4 lbs/brl @65-6 on an OG of 24lbs/brl ,
I'll try and get a Walker's(Dallam Lane Brewery, Warrington) Bitter from the 1875-6 XP book up next , as it's a not more simple than the T&G Greenall Bitter Beer to do ,
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Post by EddtheBrew » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:38 pm

f00b4r wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:28 pm
It would be interesting to see the Boddingtons Bitter recipes from the 70's and 80's.
Hi ,
I've only got up to 1955 with the Boddingtons recipies , I'll upload a list (1901-1955) of the Boddingtons recipies that I've converted, along with the'55 Bitter tomorrow when I get to the library,
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Post by f00b4r » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:55 pm

EddtheBrew wrote:
f00b4r wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:28 pm
It would be interesting to see the Boddingtons Bitter recipes from the 70's and 80's.
Hi ,
I've only got up to 1955 with the Boddingtons recipies , I'll upload a list (1901-1955) of the Boddingtons recipies that I've converted, along with the'55 Bitter tomorrow when I get to the library,
Cheers
Edd
Cheers.

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