Schlosser Altbier

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Schlosser Altbier

Post by clarets7 » Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:55 pm

A friend has just brought me a bottle of this from Germany, and I'm impressed! Best bottled beer I've had for a while, so there's a challenge straight away, got to recreate this. Absolutely no idea where to start, anybody brewed an all grain altbier from scratch??
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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by IPA » Sun Jan 12, 2025 8:48 am

clarets7 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:55 pm
A friend has just brought me a bottle of this from Germany, and I'm impressed! Best bottled beer I've had for a while, so there's a challenge straight away, got to recreate this. Absolutely no idea where to start, anybody brewed an all grain altbier from scratch??
Graham has a recipe for an Alt Beer in Brew Classic European Beers At Home.
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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by Cobnut » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:43 am

Google returns one brewers friend recipe claiming to be Schlösser Altbier, but it uses an American ale yeast which doesn’t sound quite right to me:

https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/ ... hlsser-alt
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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by Eric » Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:17 pm

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Well that recipe wouldn't match with the description of Altbier I have. I doubt an old beer would have the newer grain, more likely to have darker grains as well as an old time ale yeast. Then again, you did want something like the bottled beer you enjoyed. It would seem an Altbier could be almost anything.
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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by IPA » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:50 am

Here is what Graham said.
ZUM UERIGE.
The finest of all the ALT beers brewed in the Cranky Fellow bar in Düsseldorf
25 litres
Munich malt 3500 grs
Vienna malt. 1400 grs
Crystal malt 510 grs

Saaz hops 115 grs at start of boil

ABV. 5%
EBU. 48
Colour 45 EBC
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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by nallum » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:23 am

A German ale yeast, alt or kölsch strain (more or less the same thing in the brewery, apparently). Something like Wyeast 1007. Ferment at about <15*C to keep it clean then lager for 4 weeks or so.

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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by clarets7 » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:00 pm

Well, parcel from The Malt Miller has just arrived :) and this is what I went with: -

19L
Crisp German Pilsner 1800g
Crisp Dark Munich 1800g
Simpsons Caramalt 180g
Wey. Melanoiden 180g

Spalt 50g at 90m
Spalt 15g at 10m

SafeAle K-97 yeast as I was shocked at the price of the 1007 and 036 liquid yeasts.

Balanced Cl/SO4 water profile.

I'll let you know in a couple of months what it's like.
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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by clarets7 » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:06 pm

IPA wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:50 am
Here is what Graham said.
ZUM UERIGE.
The finest of all the ALT beers brewed in the Cranky Fellow bar in Düsseldorf
25 litres
Munich malt 3500 grs
Vienna malt. 1400 grs
Crystal malt 510 grs

Saaz hops 115 grs at start of boil

ABV. 5%
EBU. 48
Colour 45 EBC
I did find this post from the Electric Brewery, mentions Uerige https://shop.theelectricbrewery.com/pag ... rf-altbier
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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by MashBag » Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:53 pm

What about CML Hansel Dunkel.
But using the Kentucky yeast rather than the hell.


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Re: Schlosser Altbier

Post by nallum » Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:36 pm

Yes, cost of liquid yeast has probably doubled since I last bought a pack. I think it's definitely worth splitting a pack into several aliquots and making starters at that price. I haven't used SafeAle K-97, but I'm sure it turns out fine. At least you'll have a baseline for comparison, if you pursue the style further.

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