New Shiny Conicals

[barneey]

I think we can debate what we like on a public forum....

I wasn't aware we couldn't?

[barneey]

& for the record I will now spit my dummy out as others have suggested & will subsequently not bother to comment on the thread again.

[Matt12398]

I didn't pick up on any dummy spitting personally, just seemed like you were trying to make a clear point.

I haven't yet made up my mind what route I want to go down with cooling a conical. There must be something in the coil option as this is what SS Brewing Technologies are offering for their Chronicals. I think it's probably one of the easiest solutions for the home brew market and potentially more efficient and reliable than a fermenting fridge as the cooling and heating source is in direct contact with your wort. Whether the cooling coil we're analysing here is suitable or not is up for debate.

There is another jacketed conical available from Brewers Hardware but it's a heavy piece of kit and shipping alone is $400.

[roscoe]

mighty shinny piece of metal, thanks for sharing barneey.

I use a product coil dooked into FV and had never considered a jacket solution as its a plastic FV.

However, this thread has me thinking is there any thinnish but semi tough bags that could be strapped around a FV to perform heating/cooling on pots or the various other things home brewers use, hooking up to chiller like barneeys. I have seen the copper and plastic pipes coiled around vessels, but wondered on looking at scotia's marvel is there was a thick bag solution out there I has missed.

[cqout]

Everybody has their own ideas and things like this can be debated all day long!
Here is a picture of my shinney which i purchased from mrlard and then i converted a commercial fridge with a small heater computer fan and stc controller

[setmash]

Interesting thread. Pertinent to my build right now. Thanks for the links Barneey your heat and cool in a single solution is really interesting. Im wondering just how to heat/cool my new conical. There is a third way which is directly mounted TEC on aluminium blocks - a right PITA to get the blocks milled though.

Ive gone ahead and bought a ring band heater http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-220V-200W- ... =undefined

Im thinking a modified Maxi like Barneey's with solenoid valves and heating done by one of these ring bands (if it doesnt work I will write off the £3.30 ring band and use a radiator heater).

My challenge will be fitting/soldering two SS tubes and a thermowell in to a 3 inch triclamp plate. Can anyone recommend the correct tube dimensions ? I assume 10mm SS ? How much length will i need for the coil (I ferment approx 40 Liters) ?

Cheers

[Aleman]

The one downside of a coil is that it gives somewhere for yeast to sit on . . . then when you rack the clear beer off it falls of the coil into the clear beer. . . . an annoyance.

Must admit I do wonder about the size of the coil but as it's fixed in place and you may want to brew less then you need at least some of it in the beer.

I have a 3m product coil mounted parallel to my lid, and the legs have a 90 bend on then so that they come out of the lid . . . I use stainless glands to secure it via the risers so that I can raise and lower the coil depending on the volume I'm brewing. the benefit for me is that I can place it about an inch below the surface of the wort and the convection currents ensure the wort is cooled at all levels. Once I've crash cooled and everything has settled, I give the coil a wiggle to dislodge any sediment, and then raise it out of the beer for 24 hours before racking.

I'll be waiting for Lards prices and 'customisation' options before probably making a purchase. Ideally I'd want an adjustable height planispiral chiller coil, and a couple of Triclamp bosses on the lid.

[roscoe]

holy Houston ready for take off......
repressed envy

Everybody has their own ideas and things like this can be debated all day long!
Here is a picture of my shinney which i purchased from mrlard and then i converted a commercial fridge with a small heater computer fan and stc controller

[roscoe]

your ring band heater looks the biz, and way cheaper than radiator-heater I bought, presume clamped n a pipe and insulated

my FV ain't as fancy, perspex top with plastic electrical glands holding the SS product coil in place, and another plastic gland holding a 500ml thermowell in the top , figured why SS when it sits on the top, not in beer and the CFV for me is plastic anyhow.

Interesting thread. Pertinent to my build right now. Thanks for the links Barneey your heat and cool in a single solution is really interesting. Im wondering just how to heat/cool my new conical. There is a third way which is directly mounted TEC on aluminium blocks - a right PITA to get the blocks milled though.

Ive gone ahead and bought a ring band heater http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC-220V-200W- ... =undefined

Im thinking a modified Maxi like Barneey's with solenoid valves and heating done by one of these ring bands (if it doesnt work I will write off the £3.30 ring band and use a radiator heater).

My challenge will be fitting/soldering two SS tubes and a thermowell in to a 3 inch triclamp plate. Can anyone recommend the correct tube dimensions ? I assume 10mm SS ? How much length will i need for the coil (I ferment approx 40 Liters) ?

Cheers

[setmash]

Thanks Aleman as usual your process knowledge is amazing. What a fantastic idea to use glands - that would solve a whole manner of problems....however do you not worry about infection risk from the threads ? I can lift the height of the glands up by using a 3 inch triclamp Tee piece to try keep the krausen head away from it but can you be sure ?

[roscoe]

Thanks Aleman as usual your process knowledge is amazing. What a fantastic idea to use glands - that would solve a whole manner of problems....however do you not worry about infection risk from the threads ? I can lift the height of the glands up by using a 3 inch triclamp Tee piece to try keep the krausen head away from it but can you be sure ?

me not aleman,
my krausen never goes up top and I have a spray ball that gives everything a starsan supersudsiesoakin for 15mins and the gland is swapped around so less exposed plastic threads.
only minor concern for me in winter in garage when I heat wort via coil to maintain temp after primary is finished is a degree of condensation that could in theory be a worry, more bubble wrap on top I say !

[Aleman]

I Use a CIP regime with a very fancy sprayball so I'm fairly sure that everything is sanitary, after all this is brewing not open heart surgery

[Aaron]

I Use a CIP regime with a very fancy sprayball so I'm fairly sure that everything is sanitary, after all this is brewing not open heart surgery

Aleman, what kind of sprayball do you use and what kind of pump? I want to sort out a CIP system but doubt my chugger pump would generate enough pressure.

[Aleman]

The spray ball was obtained from a brewery in Burton, and I use an RG550 at full bore as the pump. The 550 is a cellar pump obtained from Hallamshire Supplies, and is a real beast in terms of the amount of liquid it can shift.

[chris2012]

Do you use very hot caustic with that Aleman?