Kegerator construction

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AT

Post by AT » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:59 am

i know this probably sounds stupid but is there anything inside the fridge that you coulh hit when drilling through for taps and the gas line?

jasonaustin

Post by jasonaustin » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:02 am

Generally, fridges (cf freezers) are simple insulated boxes, so all but the rear wall are just plastic/insulation/metal. The rear wall is 'usually' where the evaporator is installed - some are a metal plate that is clearly visible on the inside of the fridge, others are built into the wall. Turn on the fridge and see where the condensation appears - this is where the evaporator is.
Either way the only thing that should get in the way of drilling holes in the sides/door/top is any wiring going to the thermostat and/or light.
Freezers generally have coolant pipes in all walls so are more difficult to miss!
Jason

Frothy

Post by Frothy » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:13 pm

QUOTE (jasonaustin @ Jul 6 2006, 08:02 AM) Freezers generally have coolant pipes in all walls so are more difficult to miss!
Jason
Thats good to know
Matt

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Post by BlightyBrewer » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:26 pm

I've come in late on this post, but I thought I'd add my comments about jason's kegerator....drool, drool...

I have nothing more to say. :D B)

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Post by johnmac » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:47 pm

I've tested the glass shelf to 50KG, so I'm going to do nothing. But if it fails, I promise I'll post a picture of the devestation B)

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Post by johnmac » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:56 am

I employed bathroom scales, goggles, gloves and cowardice! I had visions of a casualty doc saying "we've got a right one here" :bonk

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Post by BlightyBrewer » Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:05 pm

You could have done a very rough calc to see if you would be okay (static loading only):-

Consider the shelf to be a simply supported beam, with a point load (fermenter) in the middle (this is not the case in practice, since the fermenter would be a uniformly distributed load, but for the sake of this calculation we will assume a point load).

Lets say the shelf is 50mm long, 30mm deep, and 3mm thick. We will be working in SI units (Newtons (N), kilograms (kg), seconds (s), and Meters (m)).

So, the maximum beding moment is at the mid-length, and is equal to M=P*L/4=25kg*9.81*0.05/4 = 3.07Nm (where P=load in Newtons, 9.81=acceleration due to gravity (m/s^2), L=length of shelf)

The second moment of area of the shelf is I=(b*d^3)/12 = (0.03*0.003^3)/12 = 6.75 x 10^-11 m^4.

Therefore the stress at the extreme fibre is S=(M*d/2)/I = (3.07*0.0015)/0.0000000000675 = 68222222.2 N/m^2 = 68.2 MPa.

The ultimate (breaking) tensile stress of glass is anywhere between 30 and 90MPa. Therefore, you are sailing very close to the wind there johnmac. However, since we have taken a worst case scenario of a point load (you have more of a uniformly distributed load), you are probably okay. :wall

Frothy

Post by Frothy » Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:08 pm

great stuff, i'll note that one down. Bo BB are you an engineer by trade?

Matt

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Post by BlightyBrewer » Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:15 pm

But then it would be broke DaaB! However, you are very wise. ;) :lol:

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Post by johnmac » Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:27 pm

QUOTE 50mm long, 30mm deep

Did you mean cm, rather than mm?

I could imagine an engineer at Bosch thinking, “what’s the worst case loading for the shelf? a leg of beef? Or some prat could put a keg of beer in there. Then what if a toddler comes along and starts pulling at it? “

Bosch have reputation to maintain and don’t need headlines like that!

On the other hand, maybe a bean-counter told the engineer to stop being silly and let the legal department worry about things like that!

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Post by johnmac » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:41 pm

BlightyBrewer: I forgot to say "thanks" for the calculation.

I wonder if I weakened the shelf with the test???

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Post by BlightyBrewer » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:24 pm

QUOTE (johnmac @ Jul 9 2006, 01:27 PM) QUOTE 50mm long, 30mm deep

Did you mean cm, rather than mm?


D'Oh!

But still, it won't change the end result since these two numbers are divided in the calcs...but it is still very embarrassing! Lesson, always check and double check, and get someone else to check aswell.

:(

DaaB....you make a good point, it is more like a distributed load applied at two discrete points, or if we really want to go to town, it is a plate problem rather than a beam problem with simple supports on three edges... :stun

mysterio

Post by mysterio » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:27 pm

Salvaged a fridge today and it works beautifully! A little murky, sure, but it will scrub up fine! Reckon I could fit a couple of cornies in it (once I can afford them).

Time to get my lagers brewing!

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Frothy

Post by Frothy » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:11 am

stonking mysterio.
I just picked up a 4ft chest freezer for £10 (it's as old as I am)
Found this site earlier but I think its a bit over the top, still really looking for a front opening chest freezer that would accomodate a 50L keg or 2 corny's.

Matt

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Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:09 pm

Johnmac, couldn't you adhere 2 shelves together using a thin layer of aquarium sealent evenly spread between. That way your probably making it stronger, but even if not, the glass wont shatter/splinter if it breaks ?

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