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new shiny hot liquor tank

Post by edit1now » Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:57 pm

In November I bought four stainless vertical casks, from the estate of the sadly departed Mr Graham Hammond; via Steve Flack, Gurgeh, and the Craft Brewing Association. They're nominally 14 gallon capacity, and have the keystone (tap-hole) at the bottom of one side and the shive (where the spile is inserted) in the middle of the top.

Serious conversion possibilities here. I had been gradually saving up for the Nordic thermobox sort of thing, then when I had the chance to get four stainless casks, legally, with provenance, I just went "Gulp!" and wrote a cheque.

Mr Hammond had used one of the casks already as his mash tun. I'm not ready to go to fifty-litre batches yet, so my first priority was a bigger HLT. With the 20-something litres in the Electrim boiler I have run out of sparge liquor more than once.

Rather than risk knackering the one cask which had been converted already, I thought I would hack-up another one from scratch. I cut a circle in the top with my Bosch jigsaw (got through four blades!) the right size to take a large saucepan lid from the kitchen. (Sorry, no pictures). I used some spray cutting compound. It got really difficult when I was cutting both the end of the cask and a sheet stainless label which had been spot-welded to it.

The keystone (just the metal hole, without the plastic plug) is the right size to pass a 3/4" BSP fitting, so I could use the ballvalve, running nipple, and pair of flanged hex nuts from BES like I have on my plastic boilers.

I had to cut a 40mm hole for a kettle element, and managed to kill a Bosch cobalt holesaw in doing so. The cask wasn't stable while I was drilling the hole, so I may have wobbled around a bit, and burned the teeth off the holesaw. The cutting oil just wasn't up to the job here. I had to finish the hole with the jigsaw, then file it smooth, and wet-and-dry it until it wasn't sharp.

Before I made the holes for the sight tube (polycarbonate tube and JG fittings from Garth - thanks very much!) I needed a way of anchoring the cask so it wouldn't walk around while I drilled. Four pieces of scrap wood:
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...make a cradle onto which I can strap the cask using my high-quality roof-rack straps from Lidl:
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You can see the two holes for the sight tube fittings, not quite in a straight line :oops: . With the cask tied down, I sat astride it and got the TC department to run a trickle of water from the garden hose where I needed to drill. Not a huge flow, but enough to cool the holesaw, and I did both 22mm holes (to pass 1/2" BSP) without wrecking the holesaw. Yes, the drill was on a circuit fed from an RCD - if I'd been feeling more paranoid I'd have earthed the metal cask.

Here's the sight tube fitted:
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and I calibrated it (roughly) in 5-litre increments which you can just see here:
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A metal barrel looks to me like a big thing for cooling things...better insulate it. There's a space at the bottom, so I filled that up with a patchwork of scraps of polythene foam packing (the stiff, greasy-feeling stuff, not "foam rubber"). These were stuck together with hot-gun glue.

One layer:
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A second layer:
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The 2nd layer had to be sawn level with the big breadknife:
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before a foam base went on (to insulate the HLT from the table etc.):
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Now I started doing the sides with foil-backed bubblewrap (£12.52 for 8 metres from Wickes). If it had been the summer then I would have used camping mats from Poundland - my Electrim boilers are insulated with our old camping mats which were a bit knackered for sleeping on.

First layer of bubble-wrap:
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I took it off again and used it as a template to cut the second and third layers, allowing a bit for the increased circumference. The holes for the sight tube, element and valve were marked-out using various jars and lids:
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Here it is with the joins done in silver gaffer tape:
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There are pictures of the completed HLT in use here. I have had to strip off the bubblewrap since then while investigating more than one slight drip or dribble: I've fixed the lower sight-tube elbow, and the 10mm-to-1/2" BSP JG fitting which goes into that, but there's the least drip from the element. I've brought it indoors this afternoon because it's freezing outside, I will freeze, and the silicone sealant will take all day to go off, as opposed to twenty minutes in the warm.

Next step: probably two elements in another cask as a bigger boiler - but I'll have to make a new immersion chiller as well.

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Re: new shiny hot liquor tank

Post by Alcopup » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:23 pm

o0o Shiny :)


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Re: new shiny hot liquor tank

Post by Danny » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:25 pm

That is a work of art ... enjoyed the brewday post too ...

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Re: new shiny hot liquor tank

Post by prodigal2 » Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:13 pm

=D> =D> great post there edit1now

With it laying on the side with rachet straps thought for one brief moment a angle grinder was about to appear :roll:

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Re: new shiny hot liquor tank

Post by adm » Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:23 pm

Nice work Mike!

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Re: new shiny hot liquor tank

Post by WishboneBrewery » Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:57 am

Looking good, is that Bubble-wrap insulation any good (thinking for House stuff really when we move), maybe for a Brewing cupboard etc.

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Re: new shiny hot liquor tank

Post by edit1now » Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:45 am

I think the best stuff for an insulated cupboard is a shiny-faced board called Celotex, which comes in 1" and 2" thickness. You can get it in Wickes. It's supposed to have the same insulating ability (TOG?) as four inches or more of ordinary fibreglass loft insulation. On a budget, I'd go for fibreglass loft insulation particularly if you could scrounge a roll from someone who bought too much for their loft :D

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Post by WishboneBrewery » Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:59 am

yeah... it sounds like a Freecycle mission when it comes to it.
*fingers crossed* this year we'll be moving into our other house after having a load of building work done, I'm planning on kitting out our new Utility room for free by using Freecycle... So I'm thinking Brewing cupboards and a water filter (though I suppose I'll have to buy the water filter bits).

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Post by mixbrewery » Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:22 pm

That looks very professional, twin elements are a must unless you plan to heat the brewday liquor overnight on economy 7.
Extra insulation would help conserve the heat but not essential.

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Post by edit1now » Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:51 pm

If I could get the (rude word) plug-in timer to behave then I'll do that - preheat from about 4 a.m. on Economy 7.

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Re: new shiny hot liquor tank

Post by edit1now » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:21 pm

Just done a mod on this, as part of working towards a proper shiny boiler. The keystone hole is quite a way above the bottom of the cask, so I made a pickup tube so I would reduce the amount of liquor (and then wort) left in the bottom. The kink was done with a pipe bender.
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The 22mm-to-3/4" BSP fitting goes straight through the keystone hole and into the ballvalve. I filled the threads with food-grade silicone sealant and did it all up tight after a number of stages of cutting the angled end a bit shorter, a few millimetres at a time, so it would wind up about 5mm above the dent in the bottom of the cask. Each time I had to clean the end up...
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It's very difficult taking pictures down a reflective tube:
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When I tried it out (brewday pics now online) the HLT on trial as a boiler wouldn't empty below the keystone level :(
I was hoping for some kind of syphon effect. When I was cleaning it all out, by pumping washing soda solution round and round, it emptied perfectly as long as it was emptied via the pump drain valve and not directly from its own ballvalve - the extra two feet of pipework sideways, and a couple of inches downhill, made all the difference. I'll be trying that next time.

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