Spiedels Braumeister

[londonvictoria]

Hello all

Does anyone have any experience with the spiedels Braumeister machine (kinda like an automatic cheating breradmachine for beer!)?

Thanks

[svendmute]

Not yet, but I've just aquired one. Mainly because here in Denmark its gotten rave reviews from the ones who also bought one.
Extremly easy to clean and store. Mash efficiency is in the 75- 85 % depending on mash schedule and sparging.

[Trefoyl]

Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6rraC-xY2A
I was just forwarded the video, it looks amazing but I don't speak German. Can it do decoction or just infusion mashing?
edit:
Ahh! Found a subtitled video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiBsXj-7-j8

It step mashes by default! Still not sure of the decoction. Perhaps that still needs to be done by hand, but I have to confess I don't really understand decoction. No need to worry about that anyway until I have a lager fermenting fridge which, like this crazy machine, is not in the near future.

[leewink]

Hmmm, could be something for the future for me, how's getting spares for this go ? are they readily available ?

Nice bit of kit though, although it does seem to glorify "a boil", didn't see much sparging on the vids either, I like to batch sparge little 2-3 ltr batches with my recirc pump on my mashtun, could this sparge such tiny amounts ?

... actually just flipped the vid on again, wheres the sparge ? slight efficiency knock there aint it ?

I'm probably missing something here, fill us in would ya

Lee

[leewink]

it looks amazing

Yep, shiney with pumps and heating, and a controller, I'd just need my doubts answered before I buy one, IF I DID even, i'll be honest, it looks gimmicky.

[stu-le-brew]

Its very pretty but vastly over priced, my 50ltr setup cost me about a quarter of the price of their 50ltr system - that difference is an awful lot of ingredients and finished beer

each to their own !

[EoinMag]

I am a member on a German forum where some members have a Braumeister and there is another machine called a Braueule, they get rave reviews.
There is no sparge step per se, they are like BIAB, full volume mashing with a recirculation pump to rinse the grains.

[Trefoyl]

Its very pretty but vastly over priced, my 50ltr setup cost me about a quarter of the price of their 50ltr system - that difference is an awful lot of ingredients and finished beer

each to their own !

1.416,10 EUR for Braumeister for a brewing quantity of 20 litres. ($2070.47 or £1252.52 !!)
2.070,60 EUR for Braumeister for a brewing quantity of 50 litres. ($3027.42 or £2677.71 !!)

Plus shipping.

[leewink]

... Lets compare my stuff ...

50ltr fully modded stainless boiler = £180

12v recirc solar project pump = £20 odd

Tubing / fittings = £5

Element = £20

Mashtun (Igloo maxcold 48) fitted with metal tap / stainless strainers etc = £100

Total = £325

So, I get to sparge any amount, my spares are so readily available its like buying a newspaper, and my gear is bespoke to my design.

Or I can have £2600's worth of non sparging, overhyped and marketted shiney bean can ?

At this point of posting, seems a deadly silence when asked about spares availability, or even the cost ?

So comparing costs, what does an extra £2300 give me over my pretty much "top" gear ? apart from the non batch sparge feature ?

This annoys me so much, cashing in on a completely useless item, a boiler with some buttons, this is my view only, each to their own.

You have to wonder, who are the majority of posters with these rave reviews ?

So I can, pardon the pun, fanny around a bit more with my gear to make a beer, or spend 2600 on a system that doesnt suit my requirements, or many others for that matter.

Sorry to appear a little downhearted, its probably what were all thinking anyway.

PS.. sorry, forgot the shipping costs too, silly me

[EoinMag]

You have to wonder, who are the majority of posters with these rave reviews ?

So I can, pardon the pun, fanny around a bit more with my gear to make a beer, or spend 2600 on a system that doesnt suit my requirements, or many others for that matter.

Sorry to appear a little downhearted, its probably what were all thinking anyway.(

How's your German?

http://hobbybrauer.de/

That said a lot of the criticism is similar to yours, as in it's too expensive for what it does compared to home built. The Consensus is though if you have more money than time and like shiney stuff then they are great, but nothing you can't build yourself to do larger volumes.

If I had the cash, I'd get one.

I'm not sure about them being unsuitable for certain styles, as they are actually programmable for stepped mashes and the like with no issue.

[TheMumbler]

Its very pretty but vastly over priced, my 50ltr setup cost me about a quarter of the price of their 50ltr system - that difference is an awful lot of ingredients and finished beer

each to their own !

1.416,10 EUR for Braumeister for a brewing quantity of 20 litres. ($2070.47 or £1252.52 !!)
2.070,60 EUR for Braumeister for a brewing quantity of 50 litres. ($3027.42 or £2677.71 !!)

Plus shipping.

i think you have your exchange rates wrong here for sterling anyway, 1 euro is worth roughly 90p, so it should be in the £1800+ ballpark for the 50l version. Still a lot of money though.

[Will808]

I watched the video, and for about 2 minutes I thought "what a fantastic bit of kit". Then I started to wonder where the fun is in using something like that. To me, that would take all the fun, and probably a lot of accidental successes out of the process.

And it's a hell of a lot of money.

[EoinMag]

I watched the video, and for about 2 minutes I thought "what a fantastic bit of kit". Then I started to wonder where the fun is in using something like that. To me, that would take all the fun, and probably a lot of accidental successes out of the process.

And it's a hell of a lot of money.

How many 8 hour brewdays have you done? It only automates part of the system, you still need to formulate recipes, treat water, all that fun stuff, personally I like to drink it, sure there is an ego stroking aspect in drinking your own beer and having other people tell you how good it is, but it's hard work, that thing would make it a hell of a lot easier.

It's like a really posh brew in a bag setup.

How much would someone be able to build a pid controlled, programmable setup with hood etc for that matches that build quality?

[hybrid3y3]

I'll let you know, as producing a clone of the Braumeister is a project i've decided to undertake.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=41236

Any insights are more than welcome.

[goldstar]

One of my mates has made his own Braumeister type rig. Works well. Check out this thead: http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/i ... opic=46744