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Vossy1

Cupboard Chiller

Post by Vossy1 » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:11 am

Well I have decided that I want more control over the temperature of my brews so a Schwartz type cooler was on the cards. It would have to take at least 2 25ltr fermentors and 2 demijon's (to keep the wino wife happy) :P
I drew my plans together and presented them to the missus....Thats not going in my house :bonk :(
Hmm....if I couldn't have one like that what could I do....hmmmm
There is a cupboard under the stairs that houses 3 seats from my people carrier, and 2 demi's....eureka ;) :D :rolleyes:
Seats back in the car and new plans. As I don't need an entire chiller, just a chiller unit would do....of to the shops. Now I had bought a thermostat kit from Maplins along with a fan. I was up ti'll 2 am on Saturday, soldering. Could I get the fan to work... :angry: :angry: . The switch was working but the fan was'nt....b***ocks to this, time for bed :(

Woke up Sunday, went to Wickes, central heating thermostat purchased for £9.99 jobs a gooden.

B+Q 4 sheets of 1200mm x 450mm x 55mm poly boards for £10.49.
Liquid nails £5.49
Maplin fan 120mm for £6.89

Note:- You can make this any size you want to. I chose the height to fit 2ltr bottles and the width to suit my cupboard.

Polyboard cut to size and glued together with Liquid Nails.
Sealed the interior joints with liquid nails. This is important as it doesn't allow air to leak into the unit, other than via the air intake. It also doesn't allow condensation from the ice bottles to leak out of the unit.
Note the central divider has a gap at the bottom.

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Coolant in the shape of 5, frozen, 2ltr pop bottles (for illustration only)
These bottles will be replaced with deep frozen, water filled, pop bottles prior to use.
I will be putting a towel under the bottles to absorb the condensation.



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Working out where to put the thermostat, fan and air intake

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Roughly the finished item

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Air is drawn into the 1st chamber through the air intake top left. The air is then drawn down the 1st chamber past the 3 frozen bottles. The air is then drawn under the center partition into the 2nd chamber containing the 2 frozen bottles. The air is drawn upwards toward the fan and is then expelled into the cupboard.

My chiller unit is powered by a 12v leisure battery that lives in the cupboard with the chiller unit.

The fan is quite powerful and creates a suction seal with the lid. You can hear the fans output diminish as it forms the seal so I had to widen the intake after the photo was taken.

This is basically the Ken Schwartz design modified so as not to house the fermentor. The unit is chilling the cupboard which it is placed in.

It should be able to maintain a temperature difference of up to 17 deg c below ambient, which is more than adequate for most British summers!
If a yeast performs best at 18 - 20 deg c you'd be o.k with an ambient of up to 37 deg c, though it would be pushing it.

It was great fun watching millions of polyballs being extruded from iside the coolant chamber on initial start up.
Next I have to seal the cupboard door and then were off :pink

I no longer have to fear the scorching Mancunian summers :lol:

Nb, Even during the high 30's a few weeks ago the cuboard would maintain a temp of 20 deg c with just 2 ice blocks so this baby shouldn't have any problems.

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:03 am

August, hotter than July :o :o

Money well spent then ;)

Might finnish the chiller with some "trim" today, if I get bored :unsure:

PieOPah

Post by PieOPah » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:27 am

That looks too easy to work!!!

How does this actually workl? Is the air being sucked out or blown in? I would have thought that to make a chiller unit you would need a little more that a fan and thermostat! How cold can this get the unit down to?

If I could make something like this for fermenting then it would be fantastic for during this hot weather :) (storage would be a bit of a problem though!)

IanRMartin

Post by IanRMartin » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:30 pm

Where do the ice packs go?

PS Nice work Vossy1 :D

PieOPah

Post by PieOPah » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:10 pm

Ah, ice packs.... That would help explain how the fan can help cool things down :)

IanRMartin

Post by IanRMartin » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:56 pm

QUOTE (PieOPah @ Jul 31 2006, 01:10 PM)Ah, ice packs.... That would help explain how the fan can help cool things down :)
Yes, but I don't understand where they go?
Is the air sukced into the cupboard over ice packs by the fan blowing out ? (Vossy1 hinted at this as he said the lid was sucked down when the fan was on)
Or does the fan blow into the cupboard over ice packs?

Any chance of a couple more pics Vossy1 showing ice pack location?

Ian

jasonaustin

Post by jasonaustin » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:13 pm

I believe Vossy1's second photo shows where the ice-packs (coke bottles) are. They are inside the unit. The direction of the fan is theoretically unimportant. Either way, air will be drawn into the unit, over the ice packs and either out into the cupboard via the fan or out via the hole.

IanRMartin

Post by IanRMartin » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:18 pm

QUOTE (jasonaustin @ Jul 31 2006, 03:13 PM) I believe Vossy1's second photo shows where the ice-packs (coke bottles) are. They are inside the unit. The direction of the fan is theoretically unimportant. Either way, air will be drawn into the unit, over the ice packs and either out into the cupboard via the fan or out via the hole.
So would you put ice(Packs or bottles) in the smaller of the two compartments and the fermenter in the large compartment?

jasonaustin

Post by jasonaustin » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:28 pm

No. Essentially, Vossy1 is building a portable chilling unit, to chill the room that the unit is put in. The design is based on Ken Schwartz's SoFC.
Here's mine (lid removed):-
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Vossy1 is using an understairs cupboard instead of the compartment to contain the fermenter and has simply built the 2 compartments to contain the chilling medium (things behind the thermostat and fan in my picture). 2 compartments are used to control airflow over the ice. Air enters at the top of one compartment, flows down (over ice) and through a hole near the bottom of the separating wall and into the second compartment, where it flows up (over more ice) and out via the fan at the top.

I should probably leave it to Vossy1 to explain (better than me!!)

IanRMartin

Post by IanRMartin » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:32 pm

Oh thats why Vossy1 thermostate is on the outside!
I understand now, like you say its a portable cooling unit.
He could put it in any suitable closed cupboard.
Where as yours has the cold chamber attached or built in.
Thanks for that
Ian

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:07 pm

Hello folks. Thats 2 kits made and in the chiller cupboard, and its working a treat :D

Sorry for not replying IRM I've been busy brewing...the best excuse :P

JA's essentially summed it up. The missus wouldn't let me make a 5' to 6' long chilling unit which could have housed the 2 beer fermentors and the 2 demijon's as I had nowhere to put it.

What your looking at is basically the chilling unit without the void for the fermentors. My cupboard is acting as the void.

If you look at the picture with the coke bottles the air is drawn in at the top of the 3 bottles. It is drawn down past the bottles and then under the central partition. The air is then drawn up past the 2 bottles and blown out of the unit into the cupboard using the fan.

I've put a thermometer in front of the fan to test the temperature of the air being blown out and its roughly 5 deg c. I'm not reading too much into this figure as its air chill not just air temp. The cupboards ambient today was 25 deg c.

I've set the thermostat to 19 deg c and its maintaining an air temperature of 19 - 21 deg c. When it hits 21 the fan kicks in for roughly 2 minutes and then switches off again when 19 deg c is reached.

I'm very impressed with how efficient the unit is at maintaining the temp. Having said that I have also lagged the cupboard with poly board today!

I think it was JA's temperaure post that showed that the temp of the wart remained a couple of degrees over ambient due to heat given off during fermentation by the yeast, thats why I'm happy with it dropping to 19 deg c.

Overall it was well worth the effort and it means that I can brew all summer long :pink

PoP, If I remember correctly Ken Schwartz said that his unit could maintain a temperature differential of up to 17 deg c below ambient, so thats more than enough for my hot Mancunian summers :P :lol:

Ps,

I did have to modify the design slightly today. I got some 1" poly board and created a second lid. I then bonded this lid to the top of the unit. When the glue had dried I cut holes in this lid for the compartments. The reason for this is that I was not happy with the seal I was getting, even under suction, the lid was leaking. Now I have a smooth mating suface which the original lid fits to perfectly ;)

I've edited the starter post to simplify :stun

BlightyBrewer

Post by BlightyBrewer » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:12 pm

That's really cool Vossy1 and jasonaustin. B)

Well, that's my next brewing equipment project sorted. ;)

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