Chempro Oxi

[steve_flack]

Here's what I was sent by Brouwland when I asked them

Please find enclosed our info about our CHEMIPRO range of products.
ACID contents: citric acid 5 - 15 %, lactic acid 5 - 15 %, benzene
sulfonic acid 1 - 5 %
CAUSTIC contents : Sodium hydroxide > 5% and Sodium metasilicate > 10%
OXI contents : sodiumcarbonate Peroxyhydrate

So the answer is yes. It's just percarbonate - maybe there's some other cleaning agents in it but it's nothing special.

[RabMaxwell]

Rab, I wouldn't rely on percarbonate as a sterilant myself nor is it no rinse.

FWIW PBW (which is percarbonate based) doesn't fizz.

Hello steve doesn't seem as good as they claim then. Probably better sticking to my usual method. Good spray with Antiformin's followed by rinse them Iodophor Cheers

[steve_flack]

I've not used Chempro Oxi but PBW is a good cleaner (it's better than domestic oxiclean due to other additives) but it's not a sanitiser nor is it suitable for no-rinse. I would see it as an antiformin replacement and is better on stainless as there's no risk of pitting. PBW is also recommended for use with warm water and Antiformin is used cold.

EDIT: There is a product in the US called one-step. My understanding it is a sanitiser and contains percarbonate. The thing is PBW isn't a sanitiser and contains the same active ingredient - maybe one step contains 'other stuff'

[RabMaxwell]

Cheers steve i shall give it a go with my cornies then followed by iodophor

[BarryNL]

I've not used Chempro Oxi but PBW is a good cleaner (it's better than domestic oxiclean due to other additives) but it's not a sanitiser nor is it suitable for no-rinse.

Hmm, this is a little worrying as I've used this for a couple of batches. The label on the container clearly states that rinsing is not necessary.

[maxashton]

There are simmilar products used in the states and canada that claim to be no rinse sanitizers.

To be honest Barry, if you're getting good results i wouldn't worry too much. However, thin bleach is available at any supermarket for next to nothing, and you only need a 3-5ml per litre of the stuff to sanitize effectively.

Failing that, any pharmacist in Europe should be able to get or stock Betadine or a 10% povidone iodine solution.

[BarryNL]

I notice from the data sheet on Sodium Carbonate Peroxyhydrate that, while it's not listed as being anti-bacterial, it is a fungicide.

To be honest I'd imagine that, provided you keep everything clean and fermentation gets going within 12 hours then the hops and alcohol alone will take care of most bacterial problems. The bigger danger seems to me to be wild yeasts which will grow just as happily as your brewing yeast and Chemipro Oxi would appear to take care of them.

I'd be most interested to hear if anyone who's used Chemipro Oxi (or another brand) still ended up with an infection. In all the threads I've found on this chemical I've not heard anyone say they've had a problem after using this. As this stuff is being sold all over the place you'd expect to hear some complaints if it wasn't working.

[maxashton]

Technically, lots of free oxygen will kill most things, including humans. I don't know what sort of concentration that stuff is at or how much oxygen it releases.... but i'd still feel more comfortable with bleach than with oxy. It's a damn fine cleaner though.

[Adeptus]

I've used this stuff for a number of batches and haven't had any problems. I was under the impression that it was a sanitiser but now I'm confused. Is it a cleaner/sanitiser (short answer ) or should I be looking to use something else in addition? Have I just been lucky so far?

[maxashton]

Well if they're marketing it as a sanitizer, they're kind of bound by law to deliver. They probably have higher concentration or more additives or something that kill germs.

Personally, I soak in a generic oxy cleaner, rinse in cold water, then sanitize with beadine / iodophor, or bleach.

[Chiltern Brewer]

Well if they're marketing it as a sanitizer, they're kind of bound by law to deliver. They probably have higher concentration or more additives or something that kill germs.

Personally, I soak in a generic oxy cleaner, rinse in cold water, then sanitize with beadine / iodophor, or bleach.

Well it wouldn't be the first time the homebrewing industry has tried to pull the wool over our eyes, what was that Wheeler beef about "Burton Brew Body"... selling beer kits without body and a product to put the body back

Compared to a generic product Chempro Oxi is double the price!