Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

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Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by WishboneBrewery » Thu May 27, 2010 5:41 pm

I was recently washing some casks from Carlsberg, about the most scruffy and dirty casks I've seen so far...
Externally battered and dirty (Some had Tetley's Cask leftovers in, its Dry-Hopped, so the same Tetley pish with a handful of hops in it) :D
We had David Smith doing the tests to see how much organic matter was in the casks after one regular cask wash (Rinse / Caustic Wash / Rinse & Steam)...'Loads' is the answer and it take a further caustic wash / Rinse & Steam to make them a Habitable place for Real Ale.
I asked a few questions and found out that large breweries that have a quick turnover of Beer never put Caustic cleaner anywhere near their casks and rely entirely on a Hot water wash and Steam.

Micro Brewery practices are so much nicer to the beer than the Nationals, no wonder mass-market Beers & Lagers are some crap.
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Re: Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by BarnsleyBrewer » Thu May 27, 2010 8:36 pm

Dirty buggers.
Any idea what type Tetleys dry hop with?
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Re: Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by grumpysod » Thu May 27, 2010 8:54 pm

BarnsleyBrewer wrote:Dirty buggers.
Any idea what type Tetleys dry hop with?
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Tea bags?

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Re: Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by WishboneBrewery » Thu May 27, 2010 9:02 pm

Looked like mushy green petals that smelt of stale beer (or worse). :)

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Re: Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by OldSpeckledBadger » Thu May 27, 2010 9:56 pm

grumpysod wrote:Tea bags?
Presumably Yorkshire tea bags ;)
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Re: Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by grumpysod » Thu May 27, 2010 11:29 pm

OldSpeckledBadger wrote:
grumpysod wrote:Tea bags?
Presumably Yorkshire tea bags ;)
Where I come from the only Tetleys available are teabags - and pretty sh1te ones they are too, lighthouse teabags, there's nothing like a decent cup of nambarrie or punjana - tea that'd tar most people in Englands roads ;) We have to post te3abags accross to my brother in West Kirby as he can't get proper tea over there.

I suppose it's a trade, we get decent tea and crap beer, you get some decent beers and crap tea :)

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Post by Graham » Fri May 28, 2010 12:14 am

In a major brewery, a modern cask-washing machine does not mess about. For the first stage a rotating spay-ball is shoved up its orifice and the internals are sprayed with water at 200 or more psi. The next stage another spray-ball is shoved up its whatsit which sprays a hot 5% caustic solution. Next another rinse stage. The final stage is a superheated steaming phase. I once scolded and burnt my hand trying to take a cask off the exit conveyor at a certain brewery without using the company-issued gloves; that is how hot the steaming phase is. Any bacteria that gets past that lot deserves to be allowed to spoil as much beer as it likes.

With aluminium, of course, they cannot use the caustic phase, but they will undoubtedly use some alternative that is safe on aluminium.

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Re: Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by Graham » Fri May 28, 2010 12:26 am

BarnsleyBrewer wrote:Dirty buggers.
Any idea what type Tetleys dry hop with?
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Assuming that that was a serious question (I take things very matter-of fact and do not always see when a plonker has been pulled), and assuming that Tetley's really was dry hopped (which I doubt), then in the Allied Breweries days it would have been dry hopped with Target. Any of the Allied 1037 beers that were dry hopped (not all of them were), were dry hopped with Target. The most obnoxious British hop ever invented from the aroma point of view. The only Allied beer that was dry hopped with something sensible was Burton Ale.

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Re: Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by WishboneBrewery » Fri May 28, 2010 7:12 am

Tetley's Cask ale is Dry Hopped, as I was de-shiving and draining the casks I was getting a good handful of leaf hops.
These were carlsberg's casks and rather like CoCoPops... they Turned the Caustic Brown, and to a lesser extent coloured the final Rinse water.

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Re: Large Breweries and their lack of real cask washing!

Post by Mattypower » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:56 pm

Alot of the breweries are now using a tetra hop to finish off the ale this also helps their head retension. but most of the bigger breweries have a build up of grime inside their casks as the steam bake to finish which reduces bacteria, oppose to the smaller brewery who takes his cask back to clean metal every wash, you can deffinately taste the difference on how the beer travels!!!!!!!!!!!

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