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Fullers 1845

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:46 pm
by greenwood
Anyone know why fullers 1845 disappeared from every supermarket shelf ?


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Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:09 pm
by vacant
Brexit?

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:15 pm
by greenwood
You reckon?


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Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:05 am
by JJSH
I had noticed this as well. Just as I was gearing up for a bit of yeast recovery!

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:51 pm
by Hanglow
It might just be making way for xmas brews, I know up here only waitrose carry it normally and they bring in a bunch of Fullers xmas brews like Vintage Ale and their imperial stout, so I guess some things have to make way.

Bengal Lancer is bottle conditioned as well, you could try that if they still have it

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:02 pm
by PeeBee
greenwood wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:46 pm
Anyone know why fullers 1845 disappeared from every supermarket shelf ?
Has it? Hell's teeth!

But it's not too hard to make a decent clone of it. After all, that's what this site is about! I make a batch every year (but none ready for this Christmas, drat).

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:39 pm
by greenwood
PeeBee wrote:
greenwood wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:46 pm
Anyone know why fullers 1845 disappeared from every supermarket shelf ?
Has it? Hell's teeth!

But it's not too hard to make a decent clone of it. After all, that's what this site is about! I make a batch every year (but none ready for this Christmas, drat).
I’m intending making 5 gallons of London pride for a friends 60th birthday which is easy enough but I wanted to use genuine fullers yeast . I know you can buy a culture but getting the swig of 1845 down the neck is such a bonus !! It’s been on the shelves 10 years or more !


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Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:18 pm
by greenwood
Managed to order some from ‘drink supermarket ‘ but limited stock . Not as cheap as ‘4 for 6quid ‘ at Tesco though !!


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Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:13 am
by Fastline
There was some in Sainsbury's today

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:32 am
by greenwood
Fastline wrote:There was some in Sainsbury's today
That’s promising ! None in my local sainsbury though and ‘online’ says ‘not available ‘ .... thanks for the nod .. might try a bigger branch ... like Bristol .


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Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:57 pm
by PeeBee
greenwood wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:39 pm
… I’m intending making 5 gallons of London pride for a friends 60th birthday which is easy enough but I wanted to use genuine fullers yeast . I know you can buy a culture but getting the swig of 1845 down the neck is such a bonus !! It’s been on the shelves 10 years or more !
WLP002 and Wyeast 1968 is supposedly Fuller's yeast. WLP002 did a good job for London Pride clones, and an ESB (making more for this Xmas). Oddly I wasn't so sure about 1968 in a Pride clone. But last year I tried it in a 1845 clone...

Pleasant. But: Over attenuated and just not like 1845 at all. Next time I'll go back to S-33 (I have some ready for my next batch; missed Christmas by a mile!). I don't care that I'm suggesting a dried yeast was better than a liquid. I don't care that there is absolutely no suggestion that S-33 is a Fuller's yeast. Just that S-33 gave extremely good "copies" of 1845; hopping maybe not as bright (neither was it with the liquid yeast) but malt flavour was spot on and S-33 definitly doesn't over-attenuate (FGs about 1.018-1.022).

You do have to be a little careful with S-33; it might not over-attenuate but it does have a habit of very slowly eating away at the remaining sugars - after six months storage it can result in very lively beer!

Simpson's malt (especially Amber) is essential to get an 1845 clone close. Different manufacturers Amber malts are very different in flavour.

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:11 am
by MTW
PeeBee wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:57 pm
greenwood wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:39 pm
… I’m intending making 5 gallons of London pride for a friends 60th birthday which is easy enough but I wanted to use genuine fullers yeast . I know you can buy a culture but getting the swig of 1845 down the neck is such a bonus !! It’s been on the shelves 10 years or more !
WLP002 and Wyeast 1968 is supposedly Fuller's yeast. WLP002 did a good job for London Pride clones, and an ESB (making more for this Xmas). Oddly I wasn't so sure about 1968 in a Pride clone. But last year I tried it in a 1845 clone...

Pleasant. But: Over attenuated and just not like 1845 at all. Next time I'll go back to S-33 (I have some ready for my next batch; missed Christmas by a mile!). I don't care that I'm suggesting a dried yeast was better than a liquid. I don't care that there is absolutely no suggestion that S-33 is a Fuller's yeast. Just that S-33 gave extremely good "copies" of 1845; hopping maybe not as bright (neither was it with the liquid yeast) but malt flavour was spot on and S-33 definitly doesn't over-attenuate (FGs about 1.018-1.022).

You do have to be a little careful with S-33; it might not over-attenuate but it does have a habit of very slowly eating away at the remaining sugars - after six months storage it can result in very lively beer!

Simpson's malt (especially Amber) is essential to get an 1845 clone close. Different manufacturers Amber malts are very different in flavour.
Funny you say that about S33; I found exactly the same thing with WLP002. I wonder if the observation is confounded by the fact we are using them in beers we intend not to dry out, perhaps adding more complex sugars for the yeast to digest in the grain bill and/or raised mash temperatures. I have read plenty of uses of 002 in dry beers, IPAs etc. I haven't put 002 (or Fullers bottle yeast) in a straight dry pale, so hard to know. Similarly, I don't think I've ever used US-05 (a 'known attenuator') in a beer I intended to leave full in the finish.

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:33 pm
by Northern Brewer
There's various pages from the Fuller's brewbooks [url=https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/thre ... th.642756/]in this thread [/url] - they seem to use Simpsons pale in the main Pride/ESB partigyle, Fawcett's Otter for some of the specialist brews, Crisp for that NEIPA they did with Cloudwater last year.

1968 seems to be closer genetically to Conan than WLP002, and there's some doubt as to how close either of them are to actual Fuller's yeast, they lack the marmalade of the original. I've not used it much but I like what I've seen of WLP041, which is another relative that's a bit fruitier.
S-33, Windsor and Muntons "ordinary" seem to be close relatives that presumably all came from the same source originally.

Interesting about 1845 disappearing from the shelves - it may well be a seasonal thing to make way for Vintage, but it's still available on the Waitrose website (which also has American Fall which I don't think I've seen in shops, I'm not a Waitrose regular though)

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:13 pm
by JJSH
Ok so I emailed Fuller's, and it should be available, as has been said, in most Waitrose and Sainsbury's. They didn't say, but I guess Tesco must have just stopped selling it for whatever reason. I'm of to Sainsbury's to get some!!

Re: Fullers 1845

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:35 pm
by greenwood
JJSH wrote:Ok so I emailed Fuller's, and it should be available, as has been said, in most Waitrose and Sainsbury's. They didn't say, but I guess Tesco must have just stopped selling it for whatever reason. I'm of to Sainsbury's to get some!!
Good luck . I’ve been to a few Sainsbury’s and Waitrose with no luck !Image


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