Fermenting in the kettle on all the trub?

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Re: Fermenting in the kettle on all the trub?

Post by PeeBee » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:34 pm

nallum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:53 pm
... In fact, I’ve decided to give it another go. I’ve got some English Lagers to brew for the summer and loads of whole Goldings hops to use up. Hopefully a more successful attempt. 🤞
Now you have remembered what I said?
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... But "bottled it and gave it away" :shock: ... I wouldn't want to be doing that either! ... Ah, is that why "Mashbag" wants us all doing it?
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Re: Fermenting in the kettle on all the trub?

Post by MashBag » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:35 pm

Shout up if you have any questions.
If you want to be really idle, this is the full monty and works well on a BM

Overnight mash. (Wakeup & boil)
Overnight chill.
Ferment in kettle.
Bottle day 7 & wash up.

But it does mean you can only brew about 160 bottles a month 🤣🤣

And don't forget you (with new BM) have the opportunity to take this further with more controlability.
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Re: Fermenting in the kettle on all the trub?

Post by MashBag » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:41 pm

PeeBee wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 8:35 pm

I've long considered leaving the beer in the boiler to ferment (do you - "nallum" - leave it to cool naturally or rapidly with a cooler or like?), but I've never been brave enough to try it myself.
Nothing brave about it, you just need to think it through and have the right kit... Arrrr... Now I see the problem 😉😁👍

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Re: Fermenting in the kettle on all the trub?

Post by nallum » Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:55 am

A careful look (and taste) of the crap in the bottom of my kettle after transferring wort to an FV, I’m having second thoughts.
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Tastes awful. Nothing like sweet wort.

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Post by MashBag » Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:09 am

You won't be bottling that.
If you tested yeast nutrient that is also terrible.
As are hops.
And its not like its on it for weeks?

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Post by BrianEKG » Sun Apr 06, 2025 7:01 pm

I tried something similar 3 weeks ago! I was trying to make the cheapest least effort beer possible, heated the water to 66 degrees added the grain,100%maris otter , left it for an hour, then one bittering addition for the 20 min boil (perle because I was trying to get rid of it) and then just left it in my porch with the lid on overnight. Added topcropped kveik from a previous brew then put it in a bucket with an airlock a few days later. I'm currently drinking it and it's fantastic! A little haze but otherwise perfect , acceptable head retention too

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Re: Fermenting in the kettle on all the trub?

Post by nallum » Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:40 pm

BrianEKG wrote:
Sun Apr 06, 2025 7:01 pm
I tried something similar 3 weeks ago! I was trying to make the cheapest least effort beer possible, heated the water to 66 degrees added the grain,100%maris otter , left it for an hour, then one bittering addition for the 20 min boil (perle because I was trying to get rid of it) and then just left it in my porch with the lid on overnight. Added topcropped kveik from a previous brew then put it in a bucket with an airlock a few days later. I'm currently drinking it and it's fantastic! A little haze but otherwise perfect , acceptable head retention too
'Fantastic' compared with what? Norwegian home brew? :lol: I didn't realise anyone was still using that stuff for beer. You a noob?

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Re: Fermenting in the kettle on all the trub?

Post by nallum » Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:47 pm

MashBag wrote:
Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:09 am
You won't be bottling that.
If you tested yeast nutrient that is also terrible.
As are hops.
And its not like its on it for weeks?
I don't know, I bottled out. I built the lager yeast (WLP800) up to a 1L starter and repitched from a 10L batch to a 20L batch for a 50L batch. Then decided I didn't want to take a chance with that much volume and effort getting there. I think I'll try at some point with a half batch (20L) when I have time.

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Post by MashBag » Wed Apr 09, 2025 7:03 pm

BrianEKG wrote:
Sun Apr 06, 2025 7:01 pm
I tried something similar 3 weeks ago! I was trying to make the cheapest least effort beer possible, heated the water to 66 degrees added the grain,100%maris otter , left it for an hour, then one bittering addition for the 20 min boil (perle because I was trying to get rid of it) and then just left it in my porch with the lid on overnight. Added topcropped kveik from a previous brew then put it in a bucket with an airlock a few days later. I'm currently drinking it and it's fantastic! A little haze but otherwise perfect , acceptable head retention too
That's good to hear. So many people have a pop, preferring complicated, long process, gizmo driven, Internet connected brewing. Each to there own.

Keep up the good work 👍👍

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Re: Fermenting in the kettle on all the trub?

Post by IPA » Thu Apr 10, 2025 7:42 am

MashBag wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 7:03 pm
BrianEKG wrote:
Sun Apr 06, 2025 7:01 pm
I tried something similar 3 weeks ago! I was trying to make the cheapest least effort beer possible, heated the water to 66 degrees added the grain,100%maris otter , left it for an hour, then one bittering addition for the 20 min boil (perle because I was trying to get rid of it) and then just left it in my porch with the lid on overnight. Added topcropped kveik from a previous brew then put it in a bucket with an airlock a few days later. I'm currently drinking it and it's fantastic! A little haze but otherwise perfect , acceptable head retention too
That's good to hear. So many people have a pop, preferring complicated, long process, gizmo driven, Internet connected brewing. Each to there own.

Keep up the good work 👍👍
I have been homebrewing for fifty years and it is beyond my belief that what is being produced by this, and similar methods resembles what I recognise as beer. It is simply an alcoholic beverage of extremely low quality made by those who are not interested or willing to devote the required time and expertise.They are just making something that has the same alcoholic effect. Would they buy it if it was commercially available? I suspect that the answer is no.
In fact it reminds me of a drink that I tried years ago in the South Pacific called Kava. This is made by people chewing a plant and then spitting it into a bowl then diluting it with some water. :roll: :roll:
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