Gelatin fining

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Gelatin fining

Post by StrontiumDog » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:27 pm

Hey all

I have a basic wheat beer (about 20 ltrs) I've been crash cooling in the garage over the weekend.

I have heard that gelatine makes a hoofing fining agent but I have no idea what I'm doing with it.

The stuff I have is in the phot below, what do people recommend?

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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by wezzel01 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:45 pm

Isn’t wheat beer supposed to have some yeast in suspension?


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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by StrontiumDog » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:49 pm

wezzel01 wrote:Isn’t wheat beer supposed to have some yeast in suspension?


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Hmmm. Yeah that's a good point, hadn't considered that..... Ok..... Let's pretend it's something else lmao, how would I use it?

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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by keith1664 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:18 pm

A Kristalweisse.

Dissolve in warm pre boiled water, pour into keg then rack your beer onto it.


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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by StrontiumDog » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:23 pm

Thanks Keith, what volume of water would you use?

1664 huh......

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Post by IPA » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:26 pm

15 grams in a cup add a little cold water stir and leave for five minutes. Add a little hot,not boiling, water stir until it is completely dissolved. Then simply pour it into the beer no need to stir and leave for three days. This must be performed when all yeast activity has ceased or it will not work. Best done after transfer to a secondary vessel.
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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by Laripu » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:38 pm

I buy gelatin in little envelopes (see below), and use half an envelope per 23 litre batch (one envelope holds 7 grams total). The remainder is taped up shut to keep nasties out.

I put the gelatin in a half cup of cool water, covered, and allow it to sit for 15 minutes to soften. Then it's heated to near boiling, but not to boiling(!), and stirred to dissolve with a sanitized spoon. I add it to the secondary FV immediately after heating.

That's done about 1 or 2 weeks before bottling, after the secondary FV has had some time to settle, 2 or 3 weeks.

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Gelatin fining

Post by keith1664 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:57 pm

jasonbrooker1985 wrote:Thanks Keith, what volume of water would you use?

1664 huh......

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1664 was my tipple before I got into proper beer.

Half a cup of water and 3 teaspoons of gelatine


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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by Hanglow » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:15 pm

Catchier than HanglowTennent's to be fair :D
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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by wezzel01 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:42 pm

Just a word of warning. Gelatine works well in kegs or cornies but not so well if you are bottling as it makes the sediment more fluid and easily disturbed when pouring.


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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by StrontiumDog » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:43 pm

wezzel01 wrote:Just a word of warning. Gelatine works well in kegs or cornies but not so well if you are bottling as it makes the sediment more fluid and easily disturbed when pouring.


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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by IPA » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:33 am

jasonbrooker1985 wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:43 pm
wezzel01 wrote:Just a word of warning. Gelatine works well in kegs or cornies but not so well if you are bottling as it makes the sediment more fluid and easily disturbed when pouring.


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If you brew beer correctly and with the right yeast you should be able to invert the bottle without disturbing the yeast film on the bottom which should resemble a very thin spray coat of paint. Plus it is perfectly OK to fine beer before bottling in fact if you don't you will have a very thick deposit on the bottom of the bottle.
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Post by wezzel01 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:06 am

IPA wrote:
jasonbrooker1985 wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:43 pm
If you brew beer correctly
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Re: Gelatin fining

Post by IPA » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:57 pm

wezzel01 wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:06 am
IPA wrote:
jasonbrooker1985 wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:43 pm
If you brew beer correctly
None taken!


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Gelatin fining

Post by Rhodesy » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:31 pm

IPA wrote:
wezzel01 wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:06 am
IPA wrote:
If you brew beer correctly
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None meant
I use the sheets which work well. I soften 2 up in a jug of cold water for 10 minutes leaving them totally covered. I then empty the water, take the now softened sheets out and fill the jug with approx 250ml of water straight from the kettle which works well for me. I then slowly feed the sheets in which immediately dissolve and finish off with a stir.


I fined this Christmas brew this morning, quite cool to see them at work already.

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