london pride

[delboy]

Im going to knock up a london pride at the weekend, i know the forum is awash with london pride recipes but does anyone have a stellar recipe which they think is as good or dare i say it even better than the orginal.

EDIT: put this in the wrong section can one of the mods put it in the recipe section, cheers.

[ColinKeb]

dave lines is pretty good imo

marris otter 3.5kg
crystal 250gm
demerara 250gm

goldings 50gm 60 mins
fuggles 20gm 60 mins

goldings 15gm last 15 mins

5 gallon batch (ive reduced the hops slightly as dave lines are a bit bitter best check what IBU you want first )

[Dan]

ive made dave lines london pride 3 times now and it is Excellent ! every time
although its never been true enough to the original

[Buzz]

I have GW's recipe conditioning at the mo and it tastes the bollocks. From my limited sampling, knocks spots off the commercial bottled stuff and as good as the draught IMO

Pale Malt 2750g
Crystal Malt 430g
Flaked Maize 430g

Invert Cane Sugar 640g
Target 20g 120mins
Challenger 20g 120 mins
Northdown 9g 15 mins

Thanks Graham

[delboy]

ive made dave lines london pride 3 times now and it is Excellent ! every time
although its never been true enough to the original

Interesting Dan, where do you think it comes up short, the grist? the hops? overuse of sugar??

[ColinKeb]

you can tell the hops are different in dave lines recipe , maybe he couldnt get them in his day. I prefer goldings and fuggles though so thats why i prefer his one to the original. also for some strange reason "real" london pride gives me a hangover even in small amounts whereas i can drink buckets of my version and be fine

[delboy]

you can tell the hops are different in dave lines recipe , maybe he couldnt get them in his day. I prefer goldings and fuggles though so thats why i prefer his one to the original. also for some strange reason "real" london pride gives me a hangover even in small amounts whereas i can drink buckets of my version and be fine

I think you might just have sold me on your/dave line version. I quite like the idea of no hangovers

[Graham]

you can tell the hops are different in dave lines recipe , maybe he couldnt get them in his day. I prefer goldings and fuggles though so thats why i prefer his one to the original. also for some strange reason "real" london pride gives me a hangover even in small amounts whereas i can drink buckets of my version and be fine

I doubt if it is anything to do with Dave Line not being able to get the hops. In Dave Line's day they probably - almost certainly - did use Goldings and Fuggles; they were the most widely used hops in those days.

These days the breweries change their hop receipt to take advantage of market prices. Since Dave Line's day, there have been, perhaps, 50 new varieties of hop - all have some commercial advantage, usually geared to economy; breweries take advantage of these economies and buy their alpha from the cheapest source.

Although the grist of any particular brewery's beer is fairly fixed, the hop receipt isn't; it changes almost weekly. The bigger breweries blend hops continuously to ensure that there is not a sudden change that would alienate their customers, but it is certain that if you tasted two versions of the same beer side by side, one brewed a year ago, and one brewed last month, you will notice hell of a difference in hop flavour. We get used to changing tastes if it is done gradually.

Commercial brewers do not regard hops with the same reverence that home brewers do.

In the next few months we are going to see a lot of "STRANGE" hops appearing in our commercial beer.

[monk]

I've made Dave Line's London Pride, too. It was great. I didn't use the Fuller's yeast though. I used s-04 and it had a nice maltiness after a month in the bottle. I've only had LP on cask once, but I dare say... ...my Dave Line's LP was better.

[delboy]

Dave lines it is then, i think i prefer the idea of having fuggles and goldings in the same brew.

[Dan]

Interesting Dan, where do you think it comes up short, the grist? the hops? overuse of sugar??

thankyou mysterio for posting the GW version

Pale Malt 2750g 76%
Crystal Malt 430g 12%
Flaked Maize 430g 12%

it sounds a bit top heavy on the crystal. wheelers "fullers ESB" asks 8.5% crystal and dave lines golden/amber coloured "londonpride" calls for 6%

I'd shoot for 8.5% like the ESB and up the pale malt. the colour will still probably be on the light side, you might need some brewers caramel on this one.

Invert Cane Sugar 640g

sounds much more plausable as a sugar addition if your trying to recreate the original. dave line seems to add a lot of darker sugars to many of his batches, its nice, but its not quite true to the original flavour. this is where your other thread takes over looking for that toffee

Target 20g 120mins
Challenger 20g 120 mins
Northdown 9g 15 mins

These hop additions sound like a very familier combo. wheelers "Fullers ESB" has basically the same hop bill. it sounds the sort of thing done for consistancy at one time, it should provide that lower end spicy/earthy rougher bitterness you expect from these bottled ales. this is definately the way i would go. The golding/fuggle approach is a much softer rounder easier drinking bitterness and quite different.

just my oppinions

[delboy]

Interesting Dan, where do you think it comes up short, the grist? the hops? overuse of sugar??

thankyou mysterio for posting the GW version

Pale Malt 2750g 76%
Crystal Malt 430g 12%
Flaked Maize 430g 12%

it sounds a bit top heavy on the crystal. wheelers "fullers ESB" asks 8.5% crystal and dave lines golden/amber coloured "londonpride" calls for 6%

I'd shoot for 8.5% like the ESB and up the pale malt. the colour will still probably be on the light side, you might need some brewers caramel on this one.

Invert Cane Sugar 640g

sounds much more plausable as a sugar addition if your trying to recreate the original. dave line seems to add a lot of darker sugars to many of his batches, its nice, but its not quite true to the original flavour. this is where your other thread takes over looking for that toffee

Target 20g 120mins
Challenger 20g 120 mins
Northdown 9g 15 mins

These hop additions sound like a very familier combo. wheelers "Fullers ESB" has basically the same hop bill. it sounds the sort of thing done for consistancy at one time, it should provide that lower end spicy/earthy rougher bitterness you expect from these bottled ales. this is definately the way i would go. The golding/fuggle approach is a much softer rounder easier drinking bitterness and quite different.

just my oppinions

Thats thrown a spanner in my works, now im not so sure, i presume the rougher earthier hops found in grahams recipe are balanced by the larger percentage of crystal malt.
Decisions, decisions

[Buzz]

it sounds a bit top heavy on the crystal. wheelers "fullers ESB" asks 8.5% crystal and dave lines golden/amber coloured "londonpride" calls for 6%

I'd shoot for 8.5% like the ESB and up the pale malt. the colour will still probably be on the light side, you might need some brewers caramel on this one.

just my oppinions

Even with the 12% crystal I find the colour on the light side compared to the commercial brew. I'll be brewing GW's again and don't intend to alter it - you might be right with the caramel though.

[Dan]

when relying on crystal alone for the colour you will end up with a very treacley tasting beer you would probably need 15%. In my ESB i made (20% crystal) its a bit overwhelming.

although thats if we are talking of the same crystal. the stuff i buy is british crystal from my LHBS probably fawcetts and i have no idea what Lovibond or EBC it is.

hmmm this could be a huge factor who knows what crystal GW was using? you could use a peice of software like beersmith to determin the effects a particular grade could have on colour.

[delboy]

Dang nammit double post