Recipe help - American hopping

[DarloDave]

Right, So I emailed a brewery asking for a recipe. They gave me a load of great information, but im a little unsure about how the hop bill should go. IE. How much bitterness I should extract from the bittering addition, or with it being a DIPA should I go easy(ish) on the bittering addition, and go crazy with the 15+ additions? A lot of US hopping schedules i've seen have included a 30 min addition, should I do this here? Anyway, here's the information, anybody got an idea?

"2-row from Canada and about 15% dextrine malt for body (I use Cara-pils). Target a 20 Plato O.G. Not sure how many American hop varieties you have access to, but I use Summit for bittering and a blend of Simcoe and Amarillo for flavor, finish and dry-hop. On my Pro-Mash recipe software I target 180 IBUs, but in reality I only extract probably half of that. Ferment it with an American yeast and dry hop it with at least a half ounce per gallon towards the end of primary fermentation. Good luck, hope this helps."

Obviously im going to have to use MO instead of Canadian 2 row, and replace Summit for a different high alpha hop, Im hoping as thats just the bittering addition it shouldnt be too detrimental.

[yogester]

If you have some american high AA hops, I would go the hop burst route and do all your hops at 20 min or less. I recently did a Summit IPA with all hops at 15mins or less and it has well enough bitterness to back up its 6.3% ABV without a massive hop bill. I am going to do all my IPA's in this vein of hopping from now on. The bitterness is quite soft... even when it is in the 1.0+ BU:GU range.

From my Summit IPA experiment, I believe that Simcoe is quite similar but Summit has 50% more AA... probably why he uses them for bittering.

Maybe Simcoe at 20 min for your main IBU hit and Simcoe and Amarillo at 10, 5, 1, Steep and dry-hopped. Anything over 100 IBU is pretty much a waste of hops IMHO... I could be proven wrong, your mileage may vary...

[befuggled]

If you have not already seen this, it might be worth a read:
http://www.mrmalty.com/late_hopping.htm

[borischarlton]

I am brewing this weekend and this has settled it. I am going to do something similar with Columbus, Simco and Cascade in big additions from 20 mins.

Dave, will you post the actual recipe when you have worked it out??

Cheers

Rob

[steve_flack]

In American style beers I tend to use lager malt instead of MO as it's more similar to US 2-row.

[DarloDave]

Cheers Steve, I have some light coloured MO, but I'l get some lager malt in for this.

I dont really want to go all late hopping. He said they do use something for bittering, but I dont really know what IBU's to bitter to. Plus to get 180odd IBU's using 15 minute additions would cost me a fortune! I'l have a scour of some other DIPA recipe's and try and go from there, and see what I get

[DarloDave]

Hows something like this? I know his recipe says go higher on the IBUs, but I might give this a go, and see how it turns out. any opinions?

Double Trouble
Imperial IPA


Type: All Grain
Date: 31/03/2010
Batch Size: 25.00 L
Brewer: Dave
Boil Size: 28.62 L Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My Equipment
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
7610.86 gm Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 84.38 %
1409.42 gm Cara-Pils/Dextrine (3.9 EBC) Grain 15.63 %
80.00 gm Simcoe [13.00 %] (60 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
100.00 gm Southern Cross [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 96.9 IBU
35.00 gm Simcoe [13.00 %] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -
35.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -
80.00 gm Simcoe [13.00 %] (15 min) Hops 38.5 IBU
80.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (15 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
80.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (15 min) Hops 25.1 IBU



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.084 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.010 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.021 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.005 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 8.20 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 0.65 %
Bitterness: 160.5 IBU Calories: 90 cal/l

[mysterio]

196osh brewed a great IIPA, It has some Viking name I can't remember. I would check that out.

[DarloDave]

Found it. Interesting.. I dunno whether to brew what I've got , cos that neatly uses 5(!) full packets of hops. Or I could bung in a handfull of chinook at the start to boost the IBU's. Hmm

[adm]

For that high an IBUs, I'd personally try to get maybe half the total from an early bittering addition with high AA hops, then the rest from the late hops.

[Grot]

He's probably using Summit to bitter for it's high AA%. I don't find it has as much bite as Chinook or Columbus as a bittering charge. Mix Amarillo and Simcoe at 15, 5 and dryhop and you've got a grapefruit bomb. I've got a beer with this combo right now that I'm very pleased with.

Which brewery is this? There are a lot over here that aren't as friendly with homebrewers.

[DarloDave]

Its Founders brewery. Their Double Trouble is a seasonal. Is what I've wrote for the recipe sounding about what you'd expect?

[Grot]

I've not had that beer but I think your recipe should make something tasty. I think you'll be fine using Maris Otter. I use it in my APA/IPAs and like how they come out.