Wheat Stout

[TheMumbler]

A while back lancssteve and I came up with the idea of a wierd stout off, with him doing a rye stout and me doing a wheat one. Steve has long since brewed his but I still need to make mine. I have:

300g crystal wheat
250 chocolate wheat
1kg roasted wheat

Plus 3.5kg of wheat malt to play with. I am currently out of pale malt but can get some in easily enough.

My first thought was to basically take a normal stout recipe and replace any chocolate, crystal or roast barley with wheat. Then use as much wheat as I dare with enough pale malt to ensure conversion of any adjuncts that aren't diastatic.

Has anybody made a wheat stout? If so any important lessons? What sort of hops would be best?

[dave-o]

I've been planning something similar for a while too.

I was going to go for a standard 70/20/10 stout grain bill but swap barley for wheat as much as possible.

It was going to be roughly:

500g roast wheat
1000g flaked wheat
1750g wheat malt
1750g pale malt

With hops probably target or challenger, all early.

As for the yeast, i am not sure. I was leaning towards S33 as that apparently works well with both barley and wheat.

[raiderman]

Are you doing this as an english stout or a lager? There are some cracking dark lagers out there which could form a starting point for a dark wheat brew.

[TheMumbler]

I was thinking traditional stout

[Invalid Stout]

I am planning something in the same vein, but from a completely different angle. I am going to make a Bavarian wheat beer, straight-up, 60% wheat and wheat beer yeast, but sub in 10% black malt. Not so much a wheat stout, more a Porter-Weizen.

[WishboneBrewery]

Here are my two vague ideas...

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Deutsch Wheat Stout

Fermentable	Colour	lb: oz	Grams	Ratio
Wheat Malt	3.5 EBC	8 lbs. 0.5 oz	3640 grams	50%
Pale Malt	5 EBC	6 lbs. 6.7 oz	2910 grams	40%
Roasted Barley	1220 EBC	1 lbs. 9.6 oz	725 grams	10%

Hop Variety	Type	Alpha	Time	lb: oz	grams	Ratio
Perle	Whole	8.25 %	60 mins	0 lbs. 2.5 oz	70 grams	70%
Hallertauer Hersbrucker	Whole	2.9 %	15 mins	0 lbs. 1.1 oz	30 grams	30%

Final Volume:	23	Litres
Original Gravity:	1.071	
Final Gravity:	1.021	
Alcohol Content:	6.6%	ABV
Total Liquor:	35.6	Litres
Mash Liquor:	18.2	Litres
Mash Efficiency:	75	%
Bitterness:	51.7436120540924	EBU
Colour:	299	EBC

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Wheat Stout

Fermentable	Colour	lb: oz	Grams	Ratio
Maris Otter	4.25 EBC	3 lbs. 12.2 oz	1710 grams	38.6%
Wheat Malt	3.5 EBC	3 lbs. 12.2 oz	1710 grams	38.6%
Chocolate Wheat Malt	820 EBC	0 lbs. 11.9 oz	340 grams	7.7%
Crystal Malt, Dark	300 EBC	0 lbs. 9.1 oz	260 grams	5.9%
Amber Malt	100 EBC	0 lbs. 6.0 oz	170 grams	3.8%
Caramalt	20 EBC	0 lbs. 6.0 oz	170 grams	3.8%
Black Malt	1100 EBC	0 lbs. 2.5 oz	70 grams	1.6%

Hop Variety	Type	Alpha	Time	lb: oz	grams	Ratio
Nelson Sauvin	Whole	11.3 %	60 mins	0 lbs. 1.1 oz	30 grams	60%
Bramling Cross	Whole	6.3 %	10 mins	0 lbs. 0.7 oz	20 grams	40%

Final Volume:	23	Litres
Original Gravity:	1.043	
Final Gravity:	1.013	
Alcohol Content:	3.8%	ABV
Total Liquor:	32.7	Litres
Mash Liquor:	11.1	Litres
Mash Efficiency:	75	%
Bitterness:	41.3317689054015	EBU
Colour:	153	EBC

I'll probably not brew either of them, maybe start again from scratch

[TheMumbler]

thanks for the recipes, how about:

23l
OG 1049

2kg wheat malt
2kg pale malt
250g chocolate wheat
300g crystal wheat
250g roast wheat

maybe 35 ebu from northern brewer
possibly some late hops, not sure what though

[Rookie]

This sounds good.
I've sometimes thought an all wheat beer brewpub would be unique. Repacing half the base malt with wheat in any beer and replacing the chocolate and crystal malts with wheat versions could turn almost any beer into a wheat version.

[TheMumbler]

I guess you could go 100% wheat with BIAB, presuming wheat malt is diastatic and you didn't use adjuncts that needed converting