Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HEAVY)
Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HEAVY)
Howdy folks. Well we read that thar thread about them differences between American and British Homebrewing and thought we should have a go at Brewing like them folks in the "new world".
So welcome to this here thread where we went to brew:
Then I went got myself a nice US-style Brewery to play on - shiny, keg based and gas-fired... yee ha!
So here we are - the fabulous Brewing Bros
First up was some serious formulatin' of them thar recipes - which is one of the ways those Americans differ from the two malts and one hop British Ale Recipes of 'Brew Your OWn Real Ale at Home'. Now some people accuse them American's of making it all too complicated, the luddite Brits even say it's "unnecessary".
We went for one 'base' recipe with two versions both using a dual-purpose hop simcoe (with thanks to Mysterio for those):
One with the ase malts and then citra (thanks to pantsmachine for those) as the aroma/flavour hop.
The other as the new BJCP syle of 'cascadian' with cold extract dark grains see details at http://www.byo.com/component/resource/a ... n-dark-ale
Files available:
Base recipe (Beer XML File) - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/wrightst/b ... ricans.xml
Citra Amber Ale Recipe (HTML from BeerAlchemy with edits) - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/wrightst/b ... trAle.html
Cascadian Recipe (HTML from Beer Alchemy with edits) - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/wrightst/b ... adian.html
So welcome to this here thread where we went to brew:
Then I went got myself a nice US-style Brewery to play on - shiny, keg based and gas-fired... yee ha!
So here we are - the fabulous Brewing Bros
First up was some serious formulatin' of them thar recipes - which is one of the ways those Americans differ from the two malts and one hop British Ale Recipes of 'Brew Your OWn Real Ale at Home'. Now some people accuse them American's of making it all too complicated, the luddite Brits even say it's "unnecessary".
We went for one 'base' recipe with two versions both using a dual-purpose hop simcoe (with thanks to Mysterio for those):
One with the ase malts and then citra (thanks to pantsmachine for those) as the aroma/flavour hop.
The other as the new BJCP syle of 'cascadian' with cold extract dark grains see details at http://www.byo.com/component/resource/a ... n-dark-ale
Files available:
Base recipe (Beer XML File) - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/wrightst/b ... ricans.xml
Citra Amber Ale Recipe (HTML from BeerAlchemy with edits) - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/wrightst/b ... trAle.html
Cascadian Recipe (HTML from Beer Alchemy with edits) - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/wrightst/b ... adian.html
Last edited by lancsSteve on Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:44 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Amber CitrAle Recipe
RECIPE - Amber CitrAle
MALT BILL
German Bohemian Pilsner Malt 3.000kg 49.6 %
UK Pale Ale Malt (Low Color) 2.000kg 33.0 %
UK Munich Malt 200g 3.3 %
German Munich Malt 200g 3.3 %
UK Crystal Rye Malt 176g 2.9 %
UK Vienna Malt 164g 2.7 %
German CaraMunich II 75g 1.2 %
German Melanoidin Malt 57g 0.9 %
German Melanoidin Malt 57g 0.9 %
UK Torrified Wheat 36g 0.6 %
Belgian Biscuit Malt 25g 0.4 %
German Sauer(Acid) Malt 14g 0.2 %
Belgian Special B 14g 0.2 %
German CaraAroma 14g 0.2 %
UK Medium Crystal 14g 0.2 %
UK Dark Crystal 7g 0.1 %
Mashing
Mash Type: Full Mash
Schedule Name: Single Step Infusion (66C/151F)
Boil
70 minute boil, cool to 90c (20 mins) then 80c (20 mins) then crash cool to 20c for pitching.
HOPS
German Herkules 15.8 % 72g
US Simcoe 12.9% 44g
US Citra 13.8% 116g
HOP SCHEDULE
German Herkules 36 g (0.0IBU) - In mash
German Herkules 36 g (0.0IBU) - In HLT
Dual Use Hops - Continuous Hopping (Pi)
US Simcoe 3g (3.9ibu) First Wort Hopped
US Simcoe 1g (1.3ibu) 70 Min From End
US Simcoe 4g (4.9ibu) 60 Min From End
US Simcoe 1g (1.2ibu) 50 Min From End
US Simcoe 5g (5.4ibu) 40 Min From End
US Simcoe 9g (8.5ibu) 30 Min From End
US Simcoe 2g (1.5ibu) 20 Min From End
US Simcoe 6g (2.7ibu) 10 Min From End
US Simcoe 5g (0.0ibu) At Turn Off
US Simcoe 3g (0.0 ibu) 90c Steep
US Simcoe 5g (0.0ibu) 80c Steep
Flavor/Aroma Hopping (Fibonacci)
US Citra 1g (1.3 ibu) 60 Min From End
US Citra 1g (1.2ibu) 50 Min From End
US Citra 2g (2.3 ibu) 40 Min From End
US Citra 3g (3.0 ibu) 30 Min From End
US Citra 5g (4.0 ibu) 20 Min From End
US Citra 8 g (3.8ibu) 10 Min From End
US Citra 13 g (0.0ibu) At Turn Off
US Citra 21 g (0.0ibu) 90c Steep
US Citra 34 g (0.0 ibu) 80c Steep
Yeast
DCL US-05 (formerly US-56) SafAle - ferment at 18c
MALT BILL
German Bohemian Pilsner Malt 3.000kg 49.6 %
UK Pale Ale Malt (Low Color) 2.000kg 33.0 %
UK Munich Malt 200g 3.3 %
German Munich Malt 200g 3.3 %
UK Crystal Rye Malt 176g 2.9 %
UK Vienna Malt 164g 2.7 %
German CaraMunich II 75g 1.2 %
German Melanoidin Malt 57g 0.9 %
German Melanoidin Malt 57g 0.9 %
UK Torrified Wheat 36g 0.6 %
Belgian Biscuit Malt 25g 0.4 %
German Sauer(Acid) Malt 14g 0.2 %
Belgian Special B 14g 0.2 %
German CaraAroma 14g 0.2 %
UK Medium Crystal 14g 0.2 %
UK Dark Crystal 7g 0.1 %
Mashing
Mash Type: Full Mash
Schedule Name: Single Step Infusion (66C/151F)
Boil
70 minute boil, cool to 90c (20 mins) then 80c (20 mins) then crash cool to 20c for pitching.
HOPS
German Herkules 15.8 % 72g
US Simcoe 12.9% 44g
US Citra 13.8% 116g
HOP SCHEDULE
German Herkules 36 g (0.0IBU) - In mash
German Herkules 36 g (0.0IBU) - In HLT
Dual Use Hops - Continuous Hopping (Pi)
US Simcoe 3g (3.9ibu) First Wort Hopped
US Simcoe 1g (1.3ibu) 70 Min From End
US Simcoe 4g (4.9ibu) 60 Min From End
US Simcoe 1g (1.2ibu) 50 Min From End
US Simcoe 5g (5.4ibu) 40 Min From End
US Simcoe 9g (8.5ibu) 30 Min From End
US Simcoe 2g (1.5ibu) 20 Min From End
US Simcoe 6g (2.7ibu) 10 Min From End
US Simcoe 5g (0.0ibu) At Turn Off
US Simcoe 3g (0.0 ibu) 90c Steep
US Simcoe 5g (0.0ibu) 80c Steep
Flavor/Aroma Hopping (Fibonacci)
US Citra 1g (1.3 ibu) 60 Min From End
US Citra 1g (1.2ibu) 50 Min From End
US Citra 2g (2.3 ibu) 40 Min From End
US Citra 3g (3.0 ibu) 30 Min From End
US Citra 5g (4.0 ibu) 20 Min From End
US Citra 8 g (3.8ibu) 10 Min From End
US Citra 13 g (0.0ibu) At Turn Off
US Citra 21 g (0.0ibu) 90c Steep
US Citra 34 g (0.0 ibu) 80c Steep
Yeast
DCL US-05 (formerly US-56) SafAle - ferment at 18c
Last edited by lancsSteve on Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:45 pm, edited 5 times in total.
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Amber Citra Ale Recipe
RECIPE - Cascadian
MALT BILL
Mash Grains
As CitrAle
Cold Extract Grains
German Carafa Special I 240 g 3.7 % 29.3 Cold Extract
German Carafa Special II 100g 1.6 % 15.6 Cold Extract
German Carafa Special III 40g 0.6 % 7.6 Cold Extract
German Chocolate Wheat Malt 28g 0.4 % 3.8 Cold Extract
German Roasted Rye 10g 0.2 % 0.9 Cold Extract
UK Black Malt 6g 0.1 % 1.2 Cold Extract
UK Pale Chocolate Malt 6g 0.1 % 0.4 Cold Extract
UK Chocolate Malt 6g 0.1 % 1.0 Cold Extract
UK Roasted Barley 5g 0.1 % 1.2 Cold Extract
Mashing
Mash Type: Full Mash + Cold Extract
Schedule Name:
Single Step Infusion (66C/151F)
Cold extract - grains overnight in grain bag in fridge (5c), extraction (3l water) added to boil
Boil
70 minute boil, cool to 90c (20 mins) then 80c (20 mins) then crash cool to 20c for pitching.
HOPS
German Herkules 15.8 % 72g
US Simcoe 12.9% 44g
US Ahtanum
HOP SCHEDULE
German Herkules 36 g (0.0ibu) In Mash
German Herkules 36 g (0.0 ibu) In HLT
Dual Use Hops - Continuous Hopping
As CitrAle
Flavor/Aroma Hopping (Triangular)
US Ahtanum 6g (2.9ibu) 70 Min From End
US Ahtanum 10g (4.5ibu) 50 Min From End
US Ahtanum 15g (5.4ibu) 30 Min From End
US Ahtanum 21g (3.6ibu) 10 Min From End
US Ahtanum 28g (0.6ibu) At turn off
US Ahtanum 36g (0.0 ibu) 80c Steep
Yeast
DCL US-05 (formerly US-56) SafAle - ferment at 18c
MALT BILL
Mash Grains
As CitrAle
Cold Extract Grains
German Carafa Special I 240 g 3.7 % 29.3 Cold Extract
German Carafa Special II 100g 1.6 % 15.6 Cold Extract
German Carafa Special III 40g 0.6 % 7.6 Cold Extract
German Chocolate Wheat Malt 28g 0.4 % 3.8 Cold Extract
German Roasted Rye 10g 0.2 % 0.9 Cold Extract
UK Black Malt 6g 0.1 % 1.2 Cold Extract
UK Pale Chocolate Malt 6g 0.1 % 0.4 Cold Extract
UK Chocolate Malt 6g 0.1 % 1.0 Cold Extract
UK Roasted Barley 5g 0.1 % 1.2 Cold Extract
Mashing
Mash Type: Full Mash + Cold Extract
Schedule Name:
Single Step Infusion (66C/151F)
Cold extract - grains overnight in grain bag in fridge (5c), extraction (3l water) added to boil
Boil
70 minute boil, cool to 90c (20 mins) then 80c (20 mins) then crash cool to 20c for pitching.
HOPS
German Herkules 15.8 % 72g
US Simcoe 12.9% 44g
US Ahtanum
HOP SCHEDULE
German Herkules 36 g (0.0ibu) In Mash
German Herkules 36 g (0.0 ibu) In HLT
Dual Use Hops - Continuous Hopping
As CitrAle
Flavor/Aroma Hopping (Triangular)
US Ahtanum 6g (2.9ibu) 70 Min From End
US Ahtanum 10g (4.5ibu) 50 Min From End
US Ahtanum 15g (5.4ibu) 30 Min From End
US Ahtanum 21g (3.6ibu) 10 Min From End
US Ahtanum 28g (0.6ibu) At turn off
US Ahtanum 36g (0.0 ibu) 80c Steep
Yeast
DCL US-05 (formerly US-56) SafAle - ferment at 18c
Last edited by lancsSteve on Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:45 pm, edited 4 times in total.
Re: Brewing Like Americans: The Brew
The cold extract grains:
Getting the mash ready - Hercules hops into the tun first:
The crystal and malt grains:
Adding it all to the tun then underletting:
And adding Herkules hops into the HLT:
Getting the mash ready - Hercules hops into the tun first:
The crystal and malt grains:
Adding it all to the tun then underletting:
And adding Herkules hops into the HLT:
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Mashing Out
We recirculated the wort using the pump and an underback - unfortunately I think I burned something out as there was a definite ping noise and smell of burning so fear something was badly up with that - thought I had the recirc all setup right to run the recirculation. Ideas on what may hav happened MOST welcomed.
Tending the recirc and underback:
Pausing for a drink:
Tending the recirc and underback:
Pausing for a drink:
Last edited by lancsSteve on Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Brewing Like Americans: The Boil
Organising the hop schedule:
Adding the cold extract:
End of Boil:
Cooling to 90c for more hops:
Unfortunately didn't get to recirc the wort as was a little worried about state of the pump so did it all by hand - most un-American and to be reported to the appropriate authorities.
Adding the cold extract:
End of Boil:
Cooling to 90c for more hops:
Unfortunately didn't get to recirc the wort as was a little worried about state of the pump so did it all by hand - most un-American and to be reported to the appropriate authorities.
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Pitching
Running off the amber:
And transferring to FV:
And for the cascadian:
Into the fermenting cabinet set to 18c:
And transferring to FV:
And for the cascadian:
Into the fermenting cabinet set to 18c:
Brewing Like Americans: Finishing Up
Brewery cleaned up and packed away...
Don't you just LOVE it when a plan comes together!
A honkin big brewday - hope all y'all enjoyed our little thread!
Don't you just LOVE it when a plan comes together!
A honkin big brewday - hope all y'all enjoyed our little thread!
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HE
That's either insane or inspired, not sure which..... I love the flag, especially since I work for one of those logos....
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HE
Love it, how black is that cold extract!
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HE
I have one problem, Shell is Anglo-Dutch, why is it on the American flag?? Adidas ?
Great thread!
Great thread!
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HE
Thats fantastic. Looks like a brilliant day. And Geof.
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HE
What an awesome post mate, love the pics.
Are you drinking out of some kind of food jar in the pause
Are you drinking out of some kind of food jar in the pause
Re: Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HE
Those are the jars I did the cold extract of carafa 1 and 3 in. Cleaned out obviously. jimny popped over with some of his schniederweisseish so we had a duty to help out with quality control
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Re: Brewing Like Americans: Cascadian and Amber Ales (PIC HE
You two are mad... You must have some messy night out / night in!!!
I see that first recipe used up everything you had odds and ends of!!
I see that first recipe used up everything you had odds and ends of!!