Is this a good cleaning regime

The place to discuss all things about brewing hygiene!
sbond10
Even further under the Table
Posts: 2999
Joined: Wed May 09, 2012 6:42 pm
Location: Warrington England usually drunk or being mithered by my 2yr old or wife

Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by sbond10 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:58 am

After reading various articles on homebrew cleaning. I now aware that a good brew requires good cleaning methods. So I decided to pull a plan to togther rather than fingers crossed and slosh that approach so can all the experts cast there opinions on my approach.
1) wash all the equipment with hot soapy water( Fv spoons hydrometer jug bottling aid bottles etc) then rinse with cold water
2) fill Fv with cold water then add 250 ml of bleach chuck all equipment apart from hydrometer and heater in there allow to soak for 20 minutes
3)empty the Fv via bottling aid into 40-48 bottles plus jug add hydrometer ,heater in here
4) refill Fv with water add a Camden tab allow a 20 min soak
5)empty bottles and repeat step 3 with the Camden solution into bottles and jug
6)empty bottles and seal with clean film or your bottle cap ( not sterilised or fitted with a capper just sat on )
7) clean work tops down and lme can down
8) brew
9) when brewing is completed sterilise bottle tops using a baby bottle sterliser tab then decant your beer and enjoy

winka

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by winka » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:03 pm

Sounds a bit too much hassle to me.

I just fill fv with everything I need that day, fill with cool water, add bleach, stand 10 minuites and give it a shake stand for 10 more and empty, rinse with hot water, brew.

I leave bottles until bottling day. And clean out fv with fairy liquid after emptying sediment, rinse and stand until next time.

My dad has brewed for 40 years using nothing but hot water, I'm not that brave.

Cheers

User avatar
Aleman
It's definitely Lock In Time
Posts: 6132
Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:56 am
Location: Mashing In Blackpool, Lancashire, UK

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by Aleman » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:03 pm

I can't believe people actually use washing up liquid to clean brewing equipment :shock:

Washing soda crystals, warm water and a soft sponge cleans everything off without leaving behind stuff detrimental to beer.

:roll:

User avatar
DeadFall
Under the Table
Posts: 1929
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:46 pm

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by DeadFall » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:05 pm

Too much hassle. Clean everything with hot, soapy water and rinse asap after use. For bottles I rinse out with hot water to remove any yeast & dregs, hot soapy water for a cleanse and rinse again to remove the soap asap after drinking. Every few brews (or if new) I'll soak my bottles in the bath with a bleach solution, especially if any got left hidden in a strange place and got furry, then they'll get a campden rinse, that stuff is excellent at removing bleach.

On the brew day I spray star san on everything, making sure it's well covered and then tip as much of the star san out of the FV as possible. I rely on pouring boiling water over the tops of the cans after wiping with a clean damp cloth.

On bottling/kegging day I'll make up a couple of litres of star san and use my syphon to put this into the keg or part fill the bottles. Cover and shake well and pour star san back into the jug. If using bottles I'll repeat this until they're all done, making sure I dip the mouths in the star san when I'm emptying them out. Caps then go in the star san, make sure the outside of the syphon and any other equipment has been sprayed with star san and bottle/keg as normal. Small amounts of star san don't affect the beer, and the foam is good (if using proper star san and not sani clean which is very similar). Star san may seem expensive, but it goes a long way.
Let's all go home, pull on our gimp suits and enjoy life

Brewing chat on slack - http://thelocal.stamplayapp.com

User avatar
DeadFall
Under the Table
Posts: 1929
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:46 pm

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by DeadFall » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:09 pm

Aleman wrote:I can't believe people actually use washing up liquid to clean brewing equipment :shock:

Washing soda crystals, warm water and a soft sponge cleans everything off without leaving behind stuff detrimental to beer.

:roll:
I use a small chunk of plain, cheap and nasty, unscented hand soap dissolved in the water or oxi if soaking. Probably be cheaper to get some soda crystals. I never use scouring pads, usually a cloth nappy (never been used for it's intended purpose!).
Let's all go home, pull on our gimp suits and enjoy life

Brewing chat on slack - http://thelocal.stamplayapp.com

sbond10
Even further under the Table
Posts: 2999
Joined: Wed May 09, 2012 6:42 pm
Location: Warrington England usually drunk or being mithered by my 2yr old or wife

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by sbond10 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:33 pm

so basically ive gone completly overboard and i need to take it down a few levels

User avatar
Paddy Bubbles
Lost in an Alcoholic Haze
Posts: 686
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:12 pm
Location: Dublin

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by Paddy Bubbles » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:41 pm

I don't let any kitchen detergents near any of my brewing gear. Not even my stainless steel gear. If it's not a dedicated homebrew cleaner/sanitiser product, i don't use it. I even keep my cloths/scourers separate and they don't get washed with regular detergents.
Last edited by Paddy Bubbles on Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Andy
Virtually comatose but still standing
Posts: 8716
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:00 pm
Location: Ash, Surrey
Contact:

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by Andy » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:44 pm

Paddy Bubbles wrote:I don't let any kitchen detergents near any of my brewing ear. Not even my stainless steel gear. If it's not a dedicated homebrew cleaner/sanitiser product, i don't use it. I even keep my cloths/scourers separate and they don't get washed with regular detergents.
+1 to that. Except I use generic Oxyclean which is marketed as a clothes washing product.
Dan!

greenxpaddy

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by greenxpaddy » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:46 pm

Aleman wrote:I can't believe people actually use washing up liquid to clean brewing equipment :shock:

Washing soda crystals, warm water and a soft sponge cleans everything off without leaving behind stuff detrimental to beer.

:roll:

I don't see my food tastes of detergent so why would the beer be any different??

User avatar
Paddy Bubbles
Lost in an Alcoholic Haze
Posts: 686
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:12 pm
Location: Dublin

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by Paddy Bubbles » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:56 pm

greenxpaddy wrote:
Aleman wrote:I can't believe people actually use washing up liquid to clean brewing equipment :shock:

Washing soda crystals, warm water and a soft sponge cleans everything off without leaving behind stuff detrimental to beer.

:roll:

I don't see my food tastes of detergent so why would the beer be any different??
Off flavours caused by residual detergents will be a lot more obvious in your beer than they will be in your spaghetti bolognese I'd imagine.

Also, modern kitchen detergents are full of nasty shit to make the plates/glasses sparkle. They can affect things like head formation and retention, not just flavour.

greenxpaddy

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by greenxpaddy » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:15 pm

Hmmm. I don't like Spag Bol.

I always rinse...... What should I clean my pint glasses with then?

winka

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by winka » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:08 pm

I know my Coopers kit states to use household unscented bleach in cool water then rinse with hot water till no signs of chlorine smell, and for cleaning it says just use waterand a soft cloth.

Cheers

User avatar
orlando
So far gone I'm on the way back again!
Posts: 7201
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:22 pm
Location: North Norfolk: Nearest breweries All Day Brewery, Salle. Panther, Reepham. Yetman's, Holt

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by orlando » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:13 pm

greenxpaddy wrote:Hmmm. I don't like Spag Bol.

I always rinse...... What should I clean my pint glasses with then?

A final polish with a micro fibre cloth :)
I am "The Little Red Brooster"

Fermenting:
Conditioning:
Drinking: Southwold Again,

Up Next: John Barleycorn (Barley Wine)
Planning: Winter drinking Beer

Nofolkandchance

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by Nofolkandchance » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:08 pm

I only have one method, 20 minutes steep in oxy powder solution made up with very hot water then a rinse off with very hot water, a quick rinse with cold water and a final quick spray with videne solution made up with de-ionized water (cheap as chips from Halfords).

Never ever had an infection, never had any off tastes or smells so I dont alternate from this method for any cleaning. Maybe Im just lucky :roll:

User avatar
DeadFall
Under the Table
Posts: 1929
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:46 pm

Re: Is this a good cleaning regime

Post by DeadFall » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:44 pm

I'm starting to think that I should ban the beer glasses from being used in the dishwasher or cleaned with other washing up. I've noticed that the head retention is pretty poor compared to ones I've just used hot water with.
Let's all go home, pull on our gimp suits and enjoy life

Brewing chat on slack - http://thelocal.stamplayapp.com

Post Reply