Odds 'N' Sods

[oldtimer]

Hi fella's

I would like some thoughts and/or comments on the following recipe please.

I have some odds 'n' sods left over so I thought I would chuck them in and see what happens. As I am not an experianced grain brewer of long standing, I would be pleased if anyone can make any suggestions.

THE RECIPE

Marris otter Malt 3.250Kg

Wheat Malt 800grms

Carafa III malt 150grms (just to add a bit of colour)

HOPS

Styrian Golding 840grms 90min boil

Citra 250grm 15mins

Maybe dry hop with a few citra.

According to ' Brewmate ' the colour is listed as 16.7. IBU 539. ABV 4.22.

Any thoughts or improvements would be most welcome.

Cheers

[simco999]

I hope those hops weights are out by a factor of ten. Thats way too much.

Did you mean 84 grammes and 25 grammes?

Event then the bittering hops are way too much.

I don't like over bittered ales - is there a hophead in the house?

[oldtimer]

Yeah, sorry, I got carried away with the noughts.

What do suggest for the bittering hops.

Like I said, I am not a very experianced grain brewer.
So I would be gratefull of some guidance.

[simco999]

I would go

Styrian Golding 20grms 90min boil

Citra 25grm 15mins
Styrian Golding 64g 15 mins

Thats just me.

[oldtimer]

Thanks for the advice Simco.

Much appreciated.

[zgoda]

150 grams of Carafa 3 will put you in about 50 EBC which is quite dark. Not black as stout, but definitely darker than mentioned 17 EBC, which is light amber.

Check if your malt database has proper colour spec for Carafa, c3 should be ~1100 EBC.

[oldtimer]

Thanks Zgoda

I am looking for it to be a mid to nut brown colour. ( I got a thing about yellow beers ).

So what you suggest for the carafa ?

[zgoda]

70-80 grams should be enough.

[oldtimer]

Well Zgoda

I have brewed it to your recomendations. Looks good, the wort tatsed good too, so I will let this tread know when it settled and up for drinking.

I will invite a couple of friends round to sample the goods and let you all know the verdict.

I have christened it ,' Wishing Well ' that is wishing it tasted better and hope you are well after drinking it.

heers.

[far9410]

it depends what you want from this, I would get a nice balance of bittering, bearing in mind its low gravity, then go for it late for taste/aroma. but you dont need to use everything up, they'll keep till next order comes thro

[Barley Water]

For the original poster; as a point of reference when trying to come up with a formulation try dividing the expected IBU's by the original gravity minus one multiplied by 1,000. So for an 1.048 O.G. beer with expected bitterness of 24 IBU that fraction would be .50. Most beers if brewed correctly will have a ratio of say .20 to maybe as high as 1.00. Although some beers may fall outside those ratios, generally speaking something is wrong if you do the calculation and the ratios come up outside this range. Even an imperial IPA will rarely exceed 1.00 and an insipid American lager is rarely less than .20. Most beer styles have ratios which fall into a rather narrow range across the commericial example of that style. When designing a recipe, I usually calculate this ratio on a similar beer and design my hopping schedule to mimic that ratio given the anticipated O.G. Of course, once I have brewed something once I then start changing things incrimentally by taste and rarely bother with the calculations after the initial batch. So, let's say I want to make an Octoberfest with an original gravity of 1.055 with at ratio of about .40, that would imply that I need to hop such that I get about 22 IBU's. Brewing is all about getting a nice balance between hop bitterness and malt sweetness, that is what makes this whole game fun.

[oldtimer]

Well I bottled my 'Odds & Sods' brew today, after having racked it off into another FV and letting it stand for a week @ 12 degrees. It's starbright.

It tastes very nice, although it's a bit sweet. Will the degree of sweetness decrease when it has matured in the bottles ? If not, how can I make the next brew a little less sweet ?

Clearly it's one of the ingrediiance doing this, but which one ?

To remind you of the recipe for 23ltr !!!!!!!

3.25 Kg marris Otter
800gr Wheat Malt.
80gr Carafa lll malt.

Hops

Styrian 20gr @ 90
Citra 25gr @ 15
Styrian 64gr @ 15

Yeast, Nottingham

Cheers.