cleaning kit before using starsan
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orlando
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Re: cleaning kit before using starsan
See my 3rd post on this thread.
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Martin G
Re: cleaning kit before using starsan
I would just add that no rinse sanitisers will not deal with wild yeast, probably not a big deal but worth bearing in mind. I think cleaning with very hot water would deal with wild yeast, but not really sure. I think it is worth using a variety of methods to prevent resistant strains collecting, but perhaps that is OTT.
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orlando
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Re: cleaning kit before using starsan
Are you sure about that, it's rather worrying if your right?Martin G wrote:I would just add that no rinse sanitisers will not deal with wild yeast
I am "The Little Red Brooster"
Fermenting:
Conditioning:
Drinking: Southwold Again,
Up Next: John Barleycorn (Barley Wine)
Planning: Winter drinking Beer
Fermenting:
Conditioning:
Drinking: Southwold Again,
Up Next: John Barleycorn (Barley Wine)
Planning: Winter drinking Beer
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EoinMag
Re: cleaning kit before using starsan
orlando wrote:Are you sure about that, it's rather worrying if your right?Martin G wrote:I would just add that no rinse sanitisers will not deal with wild yeast
I don't think it's correct to be honest.
If you think the killing action is purely as a result of low pH, that is incorrect.
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Martin G
Re: cleaning kit before using starsan
I was sure before you asked! I (think I) read this in the Yeast book or somewhere. It would make sense in that it does not kill your brewing yeast, but the dilution may be the saviour of them. If I find the source will post, if not then appologies for talking out of backside.
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orlando
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Re: cleaning kit before using starsan
Actually you could be right in that even if it does kill wild yeast, the spores are a lot more difficult to deal with. The idea of the sanitisers is to reduce the microbial organisms to a manageable point which then gives the yeast a chance to get a toehold, then it's alcohol, CO2 and an acid environment that does the rest.
I am "The Little Red Brooster"
Fermenting:
Conditioning:
Drinking: Southwold Again,
Up Next: John Barleycorn (Barley Wine)
Planning: Winter drinking Beer
Fermenting:
Conditioning:
Drinking: Southwold Again,
Up Next: John Barleycorn (Barley Wine)
Planning: Winter drinking Beer
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Martin G
Re: cleaning kit before using starsan
I found this ref on another forum, I'm sure it is not what I originally read but may help.
"Principles of Food Sanitation," by Norman G. Marriott and Robert B. Gravani. Here's what they have to say about acid anionic sanitizers (truncated version): "Acid anionic sanitizers act rapidly and kill a broad spectrum of bacteria and have good bacteriophage activity. ...These sanitizers... ... have limited and varied antimicrobial activity (including poor yeast and mold activity)...The antimicrobial effect of acid anionics appears to be through reaction of the surfactant, with positively charged bacteria by ionic attraction to penetrate cell walls and disrupt cellular function."
"Principles of Food Sanitation," by Norman G. Marriott and Robert B. Gravani. Here's what they have to say about acid anionic sanitizers (truncated version): "Acid anionic sanitizers act rapidly and kill a broad spectrum of bacteria and have good bacteriophage activity. ...These sanitizers... ... have limited and varied antimicrobial activity (including poor yeast and mold activity)...The antimicrobial effect of acid anionics appears to be through reaction of the surfactant, with positively charged bacteria by ionic attraction to penetrate cell walls and disrupt cellular function."