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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by Kev888 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:35 pm

I did get a foot pedal, but after trying it I decided it was perhaps something to master later - the welder has up/down slope functions so for the moment it seems easier to rely on those and a basic trigger whilst I focus more on getting the metal, tungsten and welding rod coming (almost) together correctly. That said, its still taken a little while getting to grips with the best settings but I seem to be getting it right now, exept perhaps with welding materials of different thicknesses.

Yes, I got one with pulse (thanks to the advice further up :-) ) and it definately helps with the thin stuff. I've had moments/inches of apparant brilliance on thin french stock pots with it, though usually followed immediately by crapness as I'm not yet very consistent. I hadn't fully grasped how important it is to have a really good fit before you try to weld thin stuff so it didn't go as well as it might in places (I think a plan B is needed) but it at least showed that I can do it when everything comes together.

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by froggi » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:01 pm

Kev, re the grinding of the welds/coking on the penetration side of the weld.... Grinding will only make your job more difficult.... By grinding, you are creating inclusions in your weld material... This makes for imperfections which in turn can cause (usually does) issues with penetration and the integrity of your welding..... Your only way of getting a good pen. on the welding is to back purge as I have already said in previous posts.... A foot pedal is a great way of maintaining a good balance of power, penetration and weld pool manipulation.... Always used one when possible and when not the welding suffered from "touchdown" inclusion... Practice with the pedal mate, you'll benefit!!!!

As for the angles etc, take the care in setting up the piece to suit your preferred style/technique and weld joint strengths (ie what joint you prefer welding) and you may find that things are a bit easier... Keep at it mate and it'll come good!!!

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by Kev888 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:37 am

Thanks for the encouragement! I think I'm more or less doing all the right things really - I am back purging and so on - so probably just need enough practice to bring it all together and refine my technique.

I see what you mean about avoiding grinding, and it has indeed revealed some small cavities and inclusions. Often in places I could avoid grinding (and will now try harder to), but occasionally where things didn't go as well its just too bad to leave - maybe until I'm good enough to avoid it altogether I'll try to polish any obvious stuff out where grinding was necessary. I think thats the approach they take with sanitary welds in stainless fermenters anyway..

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by haz66 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:06 pm

Just been given some lessons in TIG welding on small fittings etc and for a really good weld the fabricators use 8ltrs/min and back purging, if it was a flush fit just a simple fuse was all that was needed, if anything else then the addition of wire was needed, we had a full day with them and i mastered the fusing bit, when feed wire is needed i struggled and still am, a lot more practise needed :D , but its a handy thing to be able to do.

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by Kev888 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:09 am

Ah, another one taking the plunge - good stuff! :-)

I'm probably at about the same stage - I can feed wire but not very smoothly/regularly at all yet and theres frequent re-grinding of the tungsten when it doesn't quite come together, so a bit frustrating at the mo sometimes. However I'm improving and (eventually) managing to fabricate stainless bits in ways I couldn't before so I'm sure you're right; it'll be a very handy thing to get to grips with.

I'm using a similar setup and rate for the gas so thats helpful - it really sounds like I'm doing the right things, just currently lacking in skill/practice. Any dreams of stuff like welding up thin stainless conicals are perhaps a bit more distant than I'd imagined at the outset though.. :-)

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by froggi » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:01 pm

Hi again Kev.... Just persist mate..... It WILL come good
Try this, it may help, it may not..... Set everything up as you would for a weld but don't turn on the power..... Practice running the torch and dabbing the filler rod in... Sounds daft but I think it might help with the technique and timing... Remember this too, as you add filler the weld pool cools a little so can help with control of the weld pool. Also they holding a welding rod and feeding it through your fingers as you would when welding but not welding anything.... just to practice the dexterity.... Tying it all together after practicing is hard (who says men can't multitask, lol) but the rewards are there to be taken.
Haz... Nice one for getting some "professional" tuition and I'll say the same to you mate, just practice.... Takes a bit of time but it comes eventually.... If either you or Kev has had any experience of gas welding (oxy/acetylene), try thinking back to that sort of time and adopting the same sorts of techniques, it's very similar in lots of ways.... Nice to hear you guys are adopting other skills into your brewing to help with your plans
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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by Kev888 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:39 pm

Sounds like good advice; perhaps I need a better glove too - the leather is reasonably thick, which is good because I've tried to burn it several times but also bad as I'm struggling for dexterity.

The last episode was 'challenging'. I welded on a bottom-draining nipple, but after later moving the heavy tank (using the nipple as a handle...) I noticed a big crack had formed; my weld was far too thin and not strong enough mechanically, though it had been leak free before then. In the ensuing 'repair' I then burnt a big hole in the base of my tank to one side of the nipple :roll: - certainly got a lot of practice feeding the rods to build that up again; the underside looks like a bumpy mountain now :oops:

I got there in the end but needed to do a lot of grinding inside and then re-weld bits to fill in some inclusions - inside at the bottom of the tank which I can barely reach, let alone get gloved hands torch and rod into. I managed it eventually, though a 90min boil on Sunday has revealed a couple of small pits that I will need to re-do so the gymnastics aren't over yet :twisted:

On a related note: I'm probably not going to bother grinding the huge uneven, bumpy weld under the pot - potentially revealing more inclusions/weaknesses. But in the absesnce of pickling paste is there any household (or brewshed) acid or other potion that will remove the blueing - or in my case almost browning in parts?

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by froggi » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:32 pm

As far as I know Kev, the removal of the "discolouration" isn't necessary mate.... The "blueing" and "browning" are just the oxides on the metal surface colouring and as such give an indication as to the state of the metal (hardness, tempering etc)..... It can be removed by "Scotchbrighting" the surface with a bit of work but as far as I can recall from my welding days, has no effect if left. The only impact is asthetic... The colouring isn't as nice to look at as opposed to a "clean" metal finish.
Open to correction if I'm wrong guys....

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by Kev888 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:59 pm

Ah, thats a good thought.. It shouldn't be on show anyway, but if my OCD kicks in maybe I'll just paint it :-)

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by froggi » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:26 pm

Kev, I used to use a long gauntlet type glove but made of thinner leather than a traditional welding gauntlet... They were more like a pilots glove..... Try a car boot sale (I've seen them for sale at certain ones), an army surplus store (a proper one, not Millets) or evilBay (search for TIG welding gloves, simples I know, lol).... They should provide you with the "feel" required and help with dexterity too... Hope this helps mate

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Re: TIG welder advice

Post by Kev888 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:54 pm

Thanks, I'll have a look at whats out there.

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