thoughts please

[barry44]

I have the following hops in the freezer and am looking for some suggestions for some recipes.

250g of 14.4% citra 2012
100g of 12.5% nelson sauvin 2012
100g of 7.2% cascade 2012
100g of 13.5% centennial 2012
100g of 12.5% chinook 2011
200g of 10.9% amarillo 2012

I have brewed with the citra, amarillo and cascade but would like to try out the nelson sauvin as a single hop but am concerned it may be too winelike for me. I would also like to try the chinook, again as a single hop but I have also read it can be overpowering.

Has anyone else tried both chinook and nelson sauvin together with good results?

Any suggestions for pairings from the above?

I brew extract to about 5% and 45 IBU.

Thanks all.

[bazza]

Chinook are a very aggressive hop. Depending on your additions, I'd worry that the Chinook would completely dominate the Nelson. I brewed an all Chinook IPA and it was a grapefruit bomb. It took a long time to mellow down.

[barry44]

bazza,

can you give me an idea of the recipe please?

did it work as a single hop?

[bazza]

These are all US weights. This was a very simple recipe but I really liked it as did people who drank it.

12lbs Pale Malt
.75lb carapils
.25lb crystal 120

1oz Chinook @ 60min
.5oz Chinook @ 10min
.5oz Chinook @ 0min
1oz Chinook dry hop

[barry44]

thanks Bazza

[seymour]

These are all US weights. This was a very simple recipe but I really liked it as did people who drank it.

12lbs Pale Malt
.75lb carapils
.25lb crystal 120

1oz Chinook @ 60min
.5oz Chinook @ 10min
.5oz Chinook @ 0min
1oz Chinook dry hop

Sure sounds delicious, Bazza. Is that the Northern Brewer Chinook IPA? If so, I'm glad to hear you liked it. I've been looking at that recipe for awhile...

Hey, it's a long-shot, but I see you live in Wisconsin. Have you ever gathered any clues about New Glarus recipes?

Cheers,
-Seymour

[louiscowdroy]

Hi buddy,

I did this and it was just lush:

American - Pale Ale 2

Fermentable Colour lb: oz Grams Ratio

Pale Malt 5 EBC 6 lbs. 2.7 oz 2800 grams 85.5%
Carapils Malt 4 EBC 0 lbs. 9.6 oz 275 grams 8.4%
Pale Crystal Malt 60 EBC 0 lbs. 7.0 oz 200 grams 6.1%


Hop Variety Type Alpha Time lb: oz grams Ratio

Centennial Whole 13.5 % 60 mins 0 lbs. 0.2 oz 7 grams 5%
Cascade Whole 5.7 % 60 mins 0 lbs. 0.2 oz 7 grams 5%
Amarillo Whole 10.9 % 60 mins 0 lbs. 0.2 oz 7 grams 5%

Centennial Whole 13.5 % 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 14.2%
Cascade Whole 5.7 % 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 14.2%
Amarillo Whole 10.9 % 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 14.2%

Centennial Whole 13.5 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 14.2%
Cascade Whole 5.7 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 14.2%
Amarillo Whole 10.9 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 14.2%


Final Volume: 15 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.050
Final Gravity: 1.012
Alcohol Content: 5% ABV
Total Liquor: 22.8 Litres
Mash Liquor: 8.2 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 78 %
Bitterness: 50.8244891847136 EBU
Colour: 14 EBC

Used American Ale Yeast........cleared lovely and had that soft Amarillo finish, very very nice.....

Good luck with what ever you decide mate....let us know what you choose and how it turns out, kind regards Louis )

[barry44]

Louis, thanks for that. I have made a very similar recipe, to about 6.7% & 60 ibu, as my first attempt at a 'big' ipa. I will post the recipe next week for your thoughts as I am mobile bound in a caravan at the moment.

I am also going to give that chinook recipe a go when oi get home.

Cheers,

Barry

[louiscowdroy]

Louis, thanks for that. I have made a very similar recipe, to about 6.7% & 60 ibu, as my first attempt at a 'big' ipa. I will post the recipe next week for your thoughts as I am mobile bound in a caravan at the moment.

I am also going to give that chinook recipe a go when oi get home.

Cheers,

Barry

No worries mate, what ever you choose, i'm sure it'll be tasty. Remember the yeast is important too.....)))

[Barley Water]

Well here is a right off the top of my head suggestion (just my opinion by the way). First of all, I'd throw out the Chinook, not a big fan. Since you do extract brewing, go find yourself some wheat extract, most of that stuff has something around 50% wheat and the rest pale ale malt, the exact %'s don't really matter. You can steep maybe 1/2 a pound of light crystal if you like and shoot for an O.G. of about 1.048-1.050. Use your Nelson Sauvin hops to bitter and maybe shoot for 35 IBUs (figure out the weight needed using one of those online calculators). Start at about 5 minutes from knockout and start dumping an ounce of Citra and Amarillo into the copper, do it again at knockout and collect the wort. I would probably use a dry yeast, the Chico strain will work because if you do this right you won't taste that much yeast flavor anyway because of all the late hops. Once the stuff ferments, dry hop with at least another ounce of both Citra and Amarillo (if one ounce each is good, two might be better). Wheat beers don't age well, drink this young. The wheat will taste better and the fresh hops will blow you away, a great summer drinker. I bet you could turn this around in 3 weeks if you keg and force carbonate. I'll be doing something similar before the end of the summer except I'll do all grain.

[soupdragon]

These are all US weights. This was a very simple recipe but I really liked it as did people who drank it.

12lbs Pale Malt
.75lb carapils
.25lb crystal 120

1oz Chinook @ 60min
.5oz Chinook @ 10min
.5oz Chinook @ 0min
1oz Chinook dry hop

What was the Alpha% of your Chinook's?

I've just plugged that in to beer engine and it's come out at 78 EBU. Mine are 13.1 by the way.
I'm presuming that's based on 23l brew length?
I do like the look of this

Cheers Tom

Forget that....... I'd fogotten to reduce the dry hop addition down to 0 mins
It now comes out at 41 EBU

[raiderman]

Well here is a right off the top of my head suggestion (just my opinion by the way). First of all, I'd throw out the Chinook, not a big fan. Since you do extract brewing, go find yourself some wheat extract, most of that stuff has something around 50% wheat and the rest pale ale malt, the exact %'s don't really matter. You can steep maybe 1/2 a pound of light crystal if you like and shoot for an O.G. of about 1.048-1.050. Use your Nelson Sauvin hops to bitter and maybe shoot for 35 IBUs (figure out the weight needed using one of those online calculators). Start at about 5 minutes from knockout and start dumping an ounce of Citra and Amarillo into the copper, do it again at knockout and collect the wort. I would probably use a dry yeast, the Chico strain will work because if you do this right you won't taste that much yeast flavor anyway because of all the late hops. Once the stuff ferments, dry hop with at least another ounce of both Citra and Amarillo (if one ounce each is good, two might be better). Wheat beers don't age well, drink this young. The wheat will taste better and the fresh hops will blow you away, a great summer drinker. I bet you could turn this around in 3 weeks if you keg and force carbonate. I'll be doing something similar before the end of the summer except I'll do all grain.

Citra and wheat combine well and that sounds a cracking recipe - i steeped around 50g of citra in my wheat beer, but didn't dry hop because I wanted a real summer ale with the wheat charcter coming through, on the other hand if you want that fruitjuice effect go bigtime with the dry hopping!

[Barley Water]

Yeah, this type of beer is a great quaffer when it's hot out. Three Floyds here in the states sells alot of Gumball Head which is basicly a hop bursted American wheat beer (they advertise it as American wheat beer that doesn't suck). For whatever reason they see fit to filter their offering and it is very clear. I personally don't see the need myself so I just let the stuff stay cloudy, perhaps they think they will sell more that way. Naturally, you can mess with the hops however you like but what you want to do is keep the bitterness reasonable they late hop like hell. One of these days I may well try to make a wheat IPA; you know, light refreshing malt body and smack you in the face hop bitterness/aroma and flavor....what fun.