Cornelius Keg Cons?

[chris2012]

Those thick seals look good, will have to get some of them

[PeeBee]

Of course, don’t ignore line balancing if you like beer that isn’t flat.

I don't get that? What is "flat"? I think you will probably think 1.1 - 1.2 "volumes" of CO2 is "flat". In which case your post proves my point: Ignore the line-balancing stuff at low pressures because those tables are written for an entirely different idea of what "beer" is. The tables offer no assistance at all to people wanting low carbonated beer ("Real Ale" style).

But it forced me to look at the calculators again to make an example, and I chose the one at https://www.kegerators.com/beer-line-calculator/. And it was a whole lot better than when I last explored these things (4-5 years ago!). I couldn't get it to show zero flow through an open tube of a doable line length as I could before. All the same, the calculator did suggest I use 32ft of 3/8" line to get a "10 second pour" which would be impractical and quite un-necessary. Using the calculator would most certainly result in beer that looked flat (no head).

[guypettigrew]

Flat. Water from the tap is flat. It'd be quite difficult to get a flat beer. Even pub beers past their best (and therefore need returning) usually have a tiny bit of life in them.

You could probably get flat beer by kegging it from the FV then leaving it open to the atmosphere for a few days.

Not really sure why I've posted this. It's just sometimes I wonder exactly what people mean when they write something.

Guy

[Jambo]

Of course, don’t ignore line balancing if you like beer that isn’t flat.

I don't get that? What is "flat"? I think you will probably think 1.1 - 1.2 "volumes" of CO2 is "flat". In which case your post proves my point: Ignore the line-balancing stuff at low pressures because those tables are written for an entirely different idea of what "beer" is. The tables offer no assistance at all to people wanting low carbonated beer ("Real Ale" style).

But it forced me to look at the calculators again to make an example, and I chose the one at https://www.kegerators.com/beer-line-calculator/. And it was a whole lot better than when I last explored these things (4-5 years ago!). I couldn't get it to show zero flow through an open tube of a doable line length as I could before. All the same, the calculator did suggest I use 32ft of 3/8" line to get a "10 second pour" which would be impractical and quite un-necessary. Using the calculator would most certainly result in beer that looked flat (no head).

Hi PeeBee

Apologies - I just meant for OP’s benefit that if he isn’t wanting real ale style beer (which - sorry - is relatively flat in beer terms!) then he ignores line balancing at his peril. I have unfortunately poured too many pints of foam which settle absolutely flat and with inexplicably ruined flavour to see the comment “ignore line balancing” and not say anything

It’s been a while for me too since I last had to mess around with this but I reached a similar conclusion on 3/8” line and thus go straight to (a significant coil of) 3/16” on the cold side of my chiller. Having a chiller and kegs at ambient is also a factor in my reasoning.

[guypettigrew]

Hi PeeBee

Apologies - I just meant for OP’s benefit that if he isn’t wanting real ale style beer (which - sorry - is relatively flat in beer terms!) then he ignores line balancing at his peril. I have unfortunately poured too many pints of foam which settle absolutely flat and with inexplicably ruined flavour to see the comment “ignore line balancing” and not say anything

Yup. Flat beer is what you get if you smash all the gas out of it when serving.

Guy

[Jocky]

Of course, don’t ignore line balancing if you like beer that isn’t flat.

I don't get that? What is "flat"? I think you will probably think 1.1 - 1.2 "volumes" of CO2 is "flat". In which case your post proves my point: Ignore the line-balancing stuff at low pressures because those tables are written for an entirely different idea of what "beer" is. The tables offer no assistance at all to people wanting low carbonated beer ("Real Ale" style).

But it forced me to look at the calculators again to make an example, and I chose the one at https://www.kegerators.com/beer-line-calculator/. And it was a whole lot better than when I last explored these things (4-5 years ago!). I couldn't get it to show zero flow through an open tube of a doable line length as I could before. All the same, the calculator did suggest I use 32ft of 3/8" line to get a "10 second pour" which would be impractical and quite un-necessary. Using the calculator would most certainly result in beer that looked flat (no head).

Hi PeeBee

Apologies - I just meant for OP’s benefit that if he isn’t wanting real ale style beer (which - sorry - is relatively flat in beer terms!) then he ignores line balancing at his peril. I have unfortunately poured too many pints of foam which settle absolutely flat and with inexplicably ruined flavour to see the comment “ignore line balancing” and not say anything

It’s been a while for me too since I last had to mess around with this but I reached a similar conclusion on 3/8” line and thus go straight to (a significant coil of) 3/16” on the cold side of my chiller. Having a chiller and kegs at ambient is also a factor in my reasoning.

Agree with all of that.

[PeeBee]

Hi PeeBee

Apologies - I just meant for OP’s benefit that if he isn’t wanting real ale style beer (which - sorry - is relatively flat in beer terms!) then he ignores line balancing at his peril. I have unfortunately poured too many pints of foam which settle absolutely flat and with inexplicably ruined flavour to see the comment “ignore line balancing” and not say anything

It’s been a while for me too since I last had to mess around with this but I reached a similar conclusion on 3/8” line and thus go straight to (a significant coil of) 3/16” on the cold side of my chiller. Having a chiller and kegs at ambient is also a factor in my reasoning.

Ah, you are right! It's me who's allowed myself to get side-tracked by one of the "splinters" in the thread. The OP doesn't mention low-pressure carbonation, that came later.

Rather than criticise I should have been silently applauding your efforts to get the thread back on track.

However … "real ale style beer (which - sorry - is relatively flat in beer terms!)" is fighting talk! Not that there's any fight in me, I couldn't disarm a two-year old girlie who may be armed with a rattle.

[Jocky]

It’s been a while for me too since I last had to mess around with this but I reached a similar conclusion on 3/8” line and thus go straight to (a significant coil of) 3/16” on the cold side of my chiller. Having a chiller and kegs at ambient is also a factor in my reasoning.

Aside from the line where I'm trying to emulate a cask pour, my other lines for the keezer are all 3/16". Line length calculations get a bit difficult and the type of tap you use also has a significant effect so it's a bit more trial and error.

[Jambo]

However … "real ale style beer (which - sorry - is relatively flat in beer terms!)" is fighting talk! Not that there's any fight in me, I couldn't disarm a two-year old girlie who may be armed with a rattle.

Good job I didn't say anything about it being warm and oxidised then