Coopers Sparkling Ale

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PeteH

Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by PeteH » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:27 am

Phew, finally got around to putting this kit on to ferment. I've had it so long it's out of date! Hopefully it'll be fine though. Not done any homebrewing this year until now! I've had the coopers, a lager kit, and a Brewferm kit waiting to be started but not got round to it till last night.
I added 1.5kg of light LME and 1kg of light DME and the OG was 1060! Seems pretty high. Could be looking at close to 7% for this one! woo hoo. Hopefully my 'break' from brewing won't have caused any mistakes to have been made. I dind't bother to rehydrate the yeast this time, just sprinkled it on top of the wort and added a bit of yeast vit. Fingers crossed it turns out well. Anyone else done this kit?
Must get the Brewferm one on next, I know they take a long time to mature, I can't even remember which kit it is. :oops:

b.all

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by b.all » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:58 am

The original gravity would be that high if you added 2.5kg of extra sugars, i think the instructions only suggest 1kg.

sparky Paul

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by sparky Paul » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:13 pm

b.all wrote:The original gravity would be that high if you added 2.5kg of extra sugars, i think the instructions only suggest 1kg.
This particular kit is supposed to make a stronger beer and is made up with lots of fermentables - the instructions say use 1.5kg can of liquid malt extract, 500g of spraymalt and 300g glucose.

I have made this kit many times, I generally dispense with the canned malt and make it up with 1.5kg of light spraymalt and 300g of glucose, and it turns out around 5.5%-6%. I also think this kit benefits particularly from adding some extra hops, the high SG tends to lead to a slightly higher FG and a little residual sweetness, and the extra hops balance this out nicely.

There's several threads on here mentioning this kit, here's a recent one...

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=22949&start=0

PeteH

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by PeteH » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:32 pm

Cheers guys. Yep, I found that thread after posting this one, cheers SP. should have searched first. Maybe I'll dry hop it then, I think I've still got some hops somewhere. What do you do hop wise SP?

sparky Paul

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by sparky Paul » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:36 pm

PeteH wrote:What do you do hop wise SP?
I tend to do a mixture of a short boil and steeping. I don't dry hop as I'm not keen on the 'green' hop flavour it adds, but I would recommend at least giving it a try as many like it.

It's not at exact science, but the idea behind it is that the process of kit manufacture tends to keep the desired level of bitterness, but loses some hop flavour and somewhat more of the hop aroma. If you were AG brewing, you would add hops for flavour towards the end of the boil, say 20 minutes before the end of the boil, and a further batch of hops aroma after turning off the boiler.

To try to emulate this, my usual method is to boil a small amount of hops (for flavour) in some wort for 10-20 minutes, turn off the heat, add further hops (for aroma) and leave to steep for 20-30 mins. To get some worty liquor, empty the kit can into the fermenter as usual, then fill the can with boiling water and stir to dissolve the residue. Empty into a large pan, and repeat so you have two can fulls. Add the hops and boil as above, steep the second lot, then strain the liquor into the fermenter using a sanitised sieve. I generally use twice as many hops for the steeping as I do for the boil, and careful choice of hops to suit the style of beer can enhance a kit beer very much.

Another method is to make a 'hop tea', that's simply steeping the hops in boiled water for 20 minutes of so before adding the liquor to the fermenter. Cafetieres are ideal for this as they will strain the liquor for you. This is great for adding aroma, and is the ideal method if the wort is already in the fermenter, but for some reason steeping in water doesn't work as well as using wort.

I quite like lager hops to flavour a pale ale, but any English aroma hops will do the job too. You could try a hop tea made from 20g of Fuggles, or something like that, best not to overdo it whilst experimenting. :wink:

PeteH

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by PeteH » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:02 am

sparky Paul wrote:
PeteH wrote:What do you do hop wise SP?


Another method is to make a 'hop tea', that's simply steeping the hops in boiled water for 20 minutes of so before adding the liquor to the fermenter. Cafetieres are ideal for this as they will strain the liquor for you. This is great for adding aroma, and is the ideal method if the wort is already in the fermenter, but for some reason steeping in water doesn't work as well as using wort.

I quite like lager hops to flavour a pale ale, but any English aroma hops will do the job too. You could try a hop tea made from 20g of Fuggles, or something like that, best not to overdo it whilst experimenting. :wink:
Cheers SP.
How about I run off some wort and bring to the boil in a pan, than add to cafetiere with hops for 20 mins?

sparky Paul

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by sparky Paul » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:07 am

PeteH wrote:How about I run off some wort and bring to the boil in a pan, than add to cafetiere with hops for 20 mins?
Yep, that would work, but you would lose any alcohol already in the wort. Okay if fermentation has only just started, but if it's been fermenting for a few days I would probably go the 'hop tea' route. Make sure you sanitise the cafetiere first! :wink:

PeteH

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by PeteH » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:54 am

OK, cheers. Hop tea it is tonight.

Providence

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by Providence » Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:16 pm

I've just made a batch of this.

I haven't been happy with my last few lager and pale kits to which I added brew enhancer. They all came out too malty and not hoppy enough. These include Coopers Australian Pale, Coopers Pilsner, Coopers European Lager, Burton Bridge Summer Ale. Out of these four, I had made the lagers previously with just sugar and found them both better this way.

So I decided I would make the Sparkling with 1kg of demerara to sort of compromise. It was only when I got it home I realised that the kit required quite a lot of additional fermentables. So I added 1kg of demerara and 500gms of white sugar. It was bottled on 30th August and I just tried the first one. It's good! If I'm in the mood for a light, slightly fizzy but a bit hoppy beer, it hits the spot for me. I primed with 1/3 TSP white sugar but 1/2 TSP would have produced more fizz, I assume.

It's a bit of a cross between a pale and a lager and should keep the visiting lager drinkers happy. There's only a touch of sweetness in the flavour after only 9 days in the bottle but as I've never done this before I'm not sure whether that will go away. I wish I had made a couple of batches to drink over the summer!

I thoroughly recommend this as a quick turnaround pale/lager.

sparky Paul

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by sparky Paul » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:22 pm

As with most high ABV beers, Coopers Sparkling benefits from a long period of maturing... several months if possible. This does reduce the residual sweetness a little, but with such a high OG, it's always going to have a bit of sweetness - adding the extra hops balances this out and makes a cracking beer.

FWIW, I normally used 50% glucose and 50% light, or extra light, spraymalt for lagers. Beer Kit Enhancer is okay, but you can tell the spraymalt in it is of a darker grade.

Providence

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by Providence » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:35 pm

Thanks sparky, I might try the extra light malt tip. I have done quite a few hop additions to my bitters but have tended to leave it out for the pales and the lagers. I mainly make them to satisfy the philistines who don't like proper English Beer!

My main reason for posting was in case anyone was wondering what a cheap and cheerful sugar addition to the Sparkling would do. I must admit that I was worried myself when I saw all the additions that Coopers recommended in the instructions but it has turned out fine ........... and cheap!

I'd be interested to hear what you did to the Coopers Pale and how it tasted.

EoinMag

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by EoinMag » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:04 pm

I have a sparkling I'm about to put on and am drinking a Pale now.
On the pale I used 500g spraymalt and 300g glucose. Next time I'd leave out the glucose and use 1kg spraymalt, I really don't like the smell or flavour that sugar gives to my beers.
For the Sparkling I have a large container of Pils Liquid malt still, I'll use 1.5 KG of that and 1kg of pale spraymalt, I'm not going to add glucose at all this time. The kit recommends 1.5kg of coopers malt, 500g spraymalt and 300g Glucose. I'll also prime with spraymalt.

Manx Guy

Re: Coopers Sparkling Ale

Post by Manx Guy » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:40 pm

Hi,

Just to add my peice... lol

I made this kit up back in June with the recommended 1.5kg LME & 500g Hopped DME (+Dextrose). (came out at about 5.8%)

It was malty and slightly sweet after 3-4 weeks in the bottle, I wasn't keen so but it under the stairs and drank my other brews... tried one over the weeknd (that had been in the back of the fridge...
WOW what an improvement....
I'd say its just on the malty side of balanced... very drinkable indeed....

:)
I'm happy, but a few weeks ago I probably wouldnt have brewed it again if i'm honest....
Now I would and add soem fuggles/goldings hop tea for flavour!

Slainte!
8)

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