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Red x smash

Post by brewpete » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:10 pm

Hi am thinking of giving this a go 37.5 kg of red x malt 300 g of Cascade us 8.1 at 60 min 75g at 30min and 75g at 5 min 180l batch 10 packs of cross my loof us pale yeast any thoughts

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Re: Red x smash

Post by TheSumOfAllBeers » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:41 am

You are not saying what batch size, but I would say 100..150L in which case you are very short on hops.

Also Red X is a blend of malts so it is not a SMaSH beer by most definitions

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Re: Red x smash

Post by guypettigrew » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:37 am

He says 180 L. I don't know what red x malt is, but using Graham Wheeler's beer engine and substituting pale malt for red x malt this gives a beer of OG 1.047 and bitterness units of 40.

Seems ok to me.

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Re: Red x smash

Post by TheSumOfAllBeers » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:00 pm

Didnt see the 180L batch size on the phone (squinting).

My comment on the hops is that there is almost no flavour/aroma hops, and it seems wasteful to use cascade for bittering.

FYI Red X malt is a blend of malts that, when used as 100% of the grist, should land you right at an optimal red colour (which can be hard to achieve, if the number of questions about it is anything to go by).

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Re: Red x smash

Post by guypettigrew » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:43 pm

In this case the OP may be OK with using Cascade as a bittering and an aroma hop, although I see where you're coming from TSOAB.

Hopslist gives the USA version of Cascade as suitable for both purposes.

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Re: Red x smash

Post by brewpete » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:38 pm

Hi am thinking of using 200g of Magnum 13aa at 60 min 100g us Cascade 8aa at 20min and 125g Cascade 8aa as at 5 mins not a smash anymore if it even was one brew in a bag method

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Re: Red x smash

Post by guypettigrew » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:02 pm

Try it! You'll get a beer of about 1.047 OG with about 44 IBUs. Looks good on paper, and Magnum are supposedly a good bittering hop. Never used them myself.

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Re: Red x smash

Post by Jocky » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:12 pm

37.5kg of malt using BIAB? You're going to need a mega strong bag and a hoist for that.
Ingredients: Water, Barley, Hops, Yeast, Seaweed, Blood, Sweat, The swim bladder of a sturgeon, My enemies tears, Scenes of mild peril, An otter's handbag and Riboflavin.

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Re: Red x smash

Post by guypettigrew » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:44 pm

Jocky wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:12 pm
37.5kg of malt using BIAB? You're going to need a mega strong bag and a hoist for that.
One of these and one of these, perhaps!!! Plus, as Jockey says, a ginormous bag.

How are you planning to do it, BP?

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Re: Red x smash

Post by Jocky » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:53 pm

Ingredients: Water, Barley, Hops, Yeast, Seaweed, Blood, Sweat, The swim bladder of a sturgeon, My enemies tears, Scenes of mild peril, An otter's handbag and Riboflavin.

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Re: Red x smash

Post by TheSumOfAllBeers » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:01 pm

An engine hoist would do the trick, given a suitable load bearing point. At its worst this is going to weigh about 80-90 kg when you pull it up. There are people doing BIAB ~ 200Kg grists using just the bags, but perhaps some nylon straps to take the main weight.

They are crazy people, but the mechanical/materials engineering allows for it.

But while I love the purism doing this with just a bag & pulleys, I get worried about the safety issues of doing that now. A ripped bag means 3rd degree burns for everyone beside the mash vessel.

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Re: Red x smash

Post by brewpete » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:28 pm

Hi will try and explain my setup I have a brew builder 200l flat bottom fermenter what I have mounted on a oil drum dolly have a 200l biab bag from big Chris 4 x2kw portable immersion elements made by Elko I think . what can be removed 180kg pully hoist and a central staircase i can mount it on and in the process of building am immersion chiller out of 50 m 10 mm copper so brewing and fermenting in same vessel

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Re: Red x smash

Post by guypettigrew » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:12 pm

Wow, certainly thinking big!

Some piccies when you get round to brewing would be great.

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Re: Red x smash

Post by TheSumOfAllBeers » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:21 pm

Pics would be great.

Brew & ferment in same vessel introduces 2 problems that you will need to address:

- removal of kettle trub & kettle hops
- getting a good seal on the fermenter

The last one isn’t normally massively important, but you may struggle to do gravity transfers and could have to resort to pressure transfers

Removal of kettle debris OTOH is tricky without a second vessel, but you might be able to do something with an underback/hopback with an in-line filter

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Re: Red x smash

Post by brewpete » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:42 pm

Hi the brew builder is airtight have aaxi

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