Coopers IPA

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Coopers IPA

Post by Coppertone » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:47 pm

I've got a Coopers IPA kit that I plan to get started this weekend. I know the kit says to use 500g spray malt and 300g brewing sugar but I bought 1kg of light spray malt. Will this be fine with 1kg of spray malt? Will this affect fermentation/taste?

Plus I also bought a sachet of Safale04 yeast. Should I use this instead of the Coopers yeast and should I re-hydrate the yeast before pitching?

Advice appreciated.

Coppertone

Post by Coppertone » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:00 pm

Thanks DaaB,

After doing the Coopers Lager with the 1kg brewing sugar that came with the starter kit (that was before I found this website), I would like to taste the difference that the spray malt makes.

I do not know why Coopers include brewing sugar in their starter kit. My lager is 4 weeks in the bottle and I can taste the thin cidery taste that you talk about.

Fatgodzilla

Coopers

Post by Fatgodzilla » Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:26 am

Coopers Brewery do not recommend the use of too much extra malts for their kits but aren't 100% certain why. They simply say that their brews are designed to be made as is. The general assumption is too much extra malt affect the hop levels (especially bitterness). Overcome this by adding more hops to your kit brews.

Commercial Aussie beers are brewed light tasting and quaffibles - you are probably familiar with Victoria Bitter / Fosters, Tooheys New / XXXX and Swan. All use cane sugar to get some punch and has little hop aroma (Pride of Ringwood hops are high bitter / low aroma)

You'll be pleased to know the brewing revoution is alive and bubbling down here. More craft brewers bringing more and more different brews into the market and of course home brewing is very strong and getting stronger. But as like the UK, the big commercial outfits dominate the market.

Dave d

Post by Dave d » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:00 am

I bought the Coopers starter kit and replaced the yeast with saflager s-23, and got a fridge especially for it so I'd get a better lager then to my horror I was reading an aussie website which warned to stay away from brewing sugar that contains sucrose as its just ordinary sugar I double checked the bag of brewing sugar provided in the Coopers kit and and its says its sucrose it also has the cheek to say it was developed by their scientists and this sugar will give a more fruity taste. Very dissapointed in Coopers !!!!

Coppertone

Post by Coppertone » Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:26 pm

I spent a year in Australia and have to say I really enjoyed the beers. I liked the way that when you travelled round each state had its own associated beer, eg. Swan in W.A. , VB in Victoria, NT bitter etc.

As an introduction to homebrewing though, I have been slightly dissapointed with the Coopers starter kit. The equipment is great, its just that the Lager, using all brewing sugar as supplied, does not taste like a proper lager (5 weeks in bottle now), it has a thin cidery taste. Maybe this will improve with age, I do not know. Another big no no around here is do not put your FV in with the water heater, although in the Coopers instruction booklet that was one of the suggestions for Temperature Control????

So, I put my first brew, the lager, in with the hot water tank and also suspect this as affecting the taste of my brew.

Since then with the knowledge I have gained from this site, I have decided to give another Coopers (IPA) a go, this time using 1kg Light Spray Malt and keeping the FV well away from the water heater.
I put the IPA in the FV yesterday and it is bubbling away nicely, so hopefully this one will be alot better. All in all, I hear great things about the Coopers kits.

mysterio

Post by mysterio » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:49 pm

I double checked the bag of brewing sugar provided in the Coopers kit and and its says its sucrose it also has the cheek to say it was developed by their scientists and this sugar will give a more fruity taste.
:flip:

Curious Brew

Post by Curious Brew » Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:29 pm

I found the Cooper's supplied yeast to be fine so maybe keep the Safale in reserve in case the other doesn't work... it'll save you £1.25 if nothing else.

Coppertone

Post by Coppertone » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:42 pm

I got an OG reading of 1042 using 1kg DME with the Coopers IPA. This sounds about right. Does anyone know what FG I should be looking for? Where do you get that type of information for each kit?

discodave

Post by discodave » Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:29 pm

You should get 1010 dead with 1kg light spraymalt...leave for a week after fermetation finishes to give it a chance to clear as well.

This is a beer which is miles better when bottled if you can deal with the hassle.

Give it AT LEAST 4 weeks before tasting. I've had some for 10 weeks and they walk all over the crap they sell in the offy.

Even my wife favours this ale over shop bought beer.

Coopers are great kits when using spraymalt. I can recommend their whole range...

Coppertone

Post by Coppertone » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:11 pm

Cheers for that Discodave,

I am also planning to bottle my IPA. Can you tell me how you primed yours?

What type of sugar did you use and how much?

Did you boil it and add it cooled to the FV or did you add it to the bottles individually?

I am planning to use 1 litre PET bottles.

Any info would help me out a lot as with my first brew, I just used the carbonation drops that came with the starter kit. Although these are very handy they are more expensive than ordinary sugar. So I have not tryed any other method before.

Wauny

Post by Wauny » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:26 pm

Coppertone,

I recently finished drinking my 40ish bottles of Coopers IPA. I bottled it in 500ml glass bottles, primed with ordinary sugar, added about 1/2 teaspoon to each bottle. I found that this had over-carbonated it to my taste, even after chilling the bottles in the fridge - several bottles fizzed up when I opened them (wasted beer :x )

I would also recommend resisting for at least 4 weeks after bottled, the flavours with this kit really do improve with time

andyp

Post by andyp » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:38 pm

discodave

[/quote]This is a beer which is miles better when bottled if you can deal with the hassle.[/quote]

Any idea why? Better carbonation?

Curious Brew

Post by Curious Brew » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:53 pm

discodave wrote:Coopers are great kits when using spraymalt. I can recommend their whole range...
Cool, I've currently got a Cooper's Dark Ale with a kilo of Light Spray Malt fermenting away. Going to dry hop it with a few Goldings. 8)

Bryggmester

Post by Bryggmester » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:33 pm

CB, Coopers Dark Ale is a good choice, I did a Dark Ale with 500 gms Spraymalt and 500 gms demera with some hops and crystal/chocolate malt steeped in a hop straining bag and it was my best kit brew ever. I'm sure you will like your brew.

Curious Brew

Post by Curious Brew » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:03 pm

Bryggmester wrote:CB, Coopers Dark Ale is a good choice, I did a Dark Ale with 500 gms Spraymalt and 500 gms demera with some hops and crystal/chocolate malt steeped in a hop straining bag and it was my best kit brew ever. I'm sure you will like your brew.
Nice one mate. 8)

Fingers crossed then.

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